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Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

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It's fine until your garage burns down / floods, or someone digs through your street's connection. Those things are unlikely, but even with a backup you're going to have pretty horrendous amounts of downtime. You could lessen the impact by having some off-site secondary system ready to go at any moment, but then at that point you might as well be renting a server.

More than calamities, I'd worry about simply going away for a week or two and having something happen. With Linode/whoever, even if I'm somewhere remote, I suppose I can at least call or write email and get some help. If everything's at my house, what would I do? Leave the keys to a friend? "Can you feed the cats and take care of the servers in case they have a problem at 3AM?"

> "Can you feed the cats and take care of the servers in case they have a problem at 3AM?"

LOL now this would be a friend.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A backup won't do you any good if you don't have something to restore it to, so that is why I said infrastructure is the key.

Infrastructure won't do you any good if you don't have a backup, like you mentioned in your GP post.

worst comes to worst, I can walk into frys and throw together something shitty. (note, I don't recommend running prod. on Fry's hardware... just saying, if you said I needed a server in two hours, I could do it.)

if your data is gone, well, I can't help you.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

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why oh why people does not look around for dedicated host price before going into that much trouble ?

see this for example http://www.kimsufi.co.uk/ks/ (note: I don't work for OVH)

that's about 25$/month, look at the specs for yourself.

the pros: * if the hardware go down in flame they replace it. period. * a nice choice of distrib (Linux / BSD / Solaris / Windows) * the fcking bandwidth (agreed it would be mainly fast for europe)

the cons: you will have to do the admin yourself (for the lower prices), and that can take time depending on what you need/do. * after using this you will find any broadband offer awfully slow * you will not be able to live without a dedicated server ;)

I'm not trying to be negative here, but this kind of hosting is much cheaper than hosting the hardware yourself.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

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It's been a few years, but I used to do some webhosting from my house on "business class" cable. It wasn't that much of a sysadmin task once I had things set up. But what killed us was our connection's downtime. I think over a year we were disconnected at least 5 times that we noticed, from a couple hours to a 2 day stretch over one weekend. One tip: if you're not a cable TV customer (just data), when they connect yo…

I did the same a while back in early 2007, when FiOS was introduced in my city in France by Orange.

I needed a good server for a custom made webapp (8G RAM minimum, 500 MB with a spare, quad core 64 bit - that was a little expansive in 2007). The cost analysis revealed a low end Dell with a decent CPU, loaded with RAM + dedicated "home" hosting was the most reasonable option, compared to VPS or rewriting the app.

I paid 80 Eur/month for 100 Mbps symmetrical - add that power and lost rent costs (it was in a dedicated room of my appartment) for like ~ 150 Eur/month total.

The big advantage was a full control - I could do what the hell I needed with my hardware. It doesn't take too much time to do administration as you reported.

The only drawback was the Orange Livebox - a brain dead box sold to home users (100 Mbs/20 Mbs for 50 Eur/month) that had far too munch problems for any real use.

Seeing the downtime in the first couple of months was approaching 10 minutes a day, I did hook the optic fiber adapter RJ45 directly to the server. With some reverse engineering, running ppoe on a specific VLAN worked like a charm until this june, when I decided to pull the plug.

The project didn't catch up, it was very innovative in 2006, it is only moderately innovative now - time to kill it (parts of it will be used for a non profit help for Haiti)

Current hardware costs make it more logical to rent instead of build/host/maintain at home.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

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Probably the startups that do something like this, don't really talk about it. The negative replies here are one reason. Competitive advantage may be another. Personal example: I had a dedicated rackspace server for about $650/month. I was doing basic web hosting, but also streaming video via Flash Media Server. Now the video server and web server need not be on the same physical hardware. No more than 50 users simul…

Right on - it is a good way to test a concept for some time, without suffering from high costs.

If/when it catches up, it will be time to externalize. I did something similar (~ same costs) for a project that was a huge gamble - risky, but with excellent returns if it succeeded. Turns out it didn't work, which was the most predictable outcome, but I lost much less with home hosting that with dedicated hosting.

Some people will say that's not trusting one's project. I disagree - like you allot time, you should allot a budget to any given project.

It should succeed or fail within the given budget (which can always be adjusted depending on the situation) unless you want to go bankrupt for a bet that failed.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

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You could also just rent the smallest server at hetzner.de for 59 EUR/mo and have them add a 128G SSD for 44 EUR/mo. That way you pay 103 EUR/mo (about 134 USD) and skip a lot of headache.

The smallest root server at hetzner is the EQ-4 package for 49 EUR/mo: http://www.hetzner.de/en/hosting/produktmatrix/rootserver-pr...

Also if you explain that you are an American company (if you are), they will waive the VAT which bring down the cost per month to 44 usd or something.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

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why oh why people does not look around for dedicated host price before going into that much trouble ? see this for example http://www.kimsufi.co.uk/ks/ (note: I don't work for OVH) that's about 25$/month, look at the specs for yourself. the pros: * if the hardware go down in flame they replace it. period. * a nice choice of distrib (Linux / BSD / Solaris / Windows) * the f cking bandwidth (agreed it would be mainly f…

That box has only one disk, which is inappropriate for most uses. Sure, they'll put up another server for you, but that's not the hard part; the hard part is restoring your backup. Until you are large enough to have redundant everything, mirrored disk, I think, is a must.

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

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I'm done with slow disk on cloud hosts. But actually the one with slow disk was Slicehost, and I AM fed up to hell with that. They caused me no end of problems until I figured out they were the problem. It's a bit deceptive, really, since you're promised your fair share of resources - then it turns out you're disk i/o is as low as 3/mb a sec. W T F. Instead of going nuts and hosting in my garage, though... I just cha…

3MB/sec isn't a fair share of a disk? I think it is.

to start, your cheap sata disk is going to max out a 100Mb/sec for /sequential/ transfers. Now, cut that in quarters, because two different guests streaming data to the disk make sequential random. so you have 25MB/s. double it, as they are probably raid-10ing the disk (at least, that's what I do) so we have a best case 50MB/s to share.

Now, they are probably in a box with 32GiB ram. say they give a gig to the dom0, and you are on a 512MiB guest. that means you are sharing with 62 total guests. So your fair share is less than 1MB/sec of hard drive transfer.

Of course, best case, nobody else is using the drive and you get all 200MB/s, but with 60 guests, that won't happen often.

Hard drives suck. Sharing hard drives makes them suck a lot more.

Note, I know almost nothing about the actual slicehost setup; what I'm describing here is guesses about their setup based on what I know about xen and what I know of my own set up.

My understanding is that Linode is perceived by light users to have better I/O throughput, but this is because they monitor and take action against heavy I/O users. (I think this is a good idea, and may implement it myself)

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly, what is being proposed is more along the lines of making your own dough, sauce and then a pizza versus ordering a pizza or cooking a frozen one. Your home made pizza might taste a bit better, but why are you spending your time making pizza's when all you want to do is eat them?

Because they taste better.

Which brings us back to the very first point made by kitcar. If you can make pizzas that taste better than Dominos and have a comparable price, then why aren't you a pizza company?

Re: Ask HN: Anyone hosting their site on servers in their garage?

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Over an year this costs you about $1200 for bandwidth + $500 for hardware + electricity/service. Let's say an even $1600 or ~ $135 / month. $135 / month buys you two 1.5GB Linode instances or one 2GB Slicehost instance (I use Slicehost but they seem to be much more expensive compared to Linode). The reason I see renting VPSs, especially at the beginning, as a smart thing is that you are postponing the actual hardware…

You're possibly double counting the bandwidth costs if he's also using the connection for his workstations.

That's absolutely correct. I'm already paying that for my connection at home, so the bandwidth costs are going to be a wash.
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