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Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by gizmodo59 »

rmdoss wrote: post #291

Those are very annoying and dangerous. Glad Youtube is doing something. If you have young kids, be careful on what you allow on their devices (ipads, xbox, iphones, etc). Just the other day, I noticed a young kid (~9yo) watching some type of porn on an iPad, while the parents were paying attention the other kid play softball. I told the mom and she freaked out. What I am doing for my own kids lately: -Enable Parental…

I would rather give them something else to do instead of going through so many control measures for internet access (Not saying it should be banned). There are so many things they can learn without internet and so many things they can learn with just computer and no internet too.

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Post by donatj »

yzmtf2008 wrote: post #299
cowpig wrote: post #155

I don't believe in this kind of censorship and that medium article just reads like a bunch of alarmist nonsense to me. I was exposed to tons of super-weird stuff on TV an the internet (adult swim, fat-pie, etc) and so were most of my friends growing up. I don't think it was problematic for any of us. When you're a kid and something feels disturbing, you turn it off. Our society really doesn't give kids any credit for…

>When you're a kid and something feels disturbing, you turn it off. Do you realize these are the "most popular" child videos on YouTube? Gosh, the fact that these people are making money off of it is proof that "kids" are watching these videos, and are apparently not capable of "just turning them off". Yeah right, maybe that happened to you. I'm not confident my (hypothetical) kid watching these videos can turn them…

The kids are choosing what they want to watch and it doesn’t fit societies made up ideal for what children should want to watch. It’s scary just like rock and roll was scary 50 years ago.

I am only hearing the exact same moral panic arguments given about Elvis’s hips.

Just because you don’t like something and can’t understand why someone else would, doesn’t make it bad.

You are just too old to see the value in things your child likes. It’s a tale as old as time.

You’re very insistent these are bad but I don’t really see why. I would consider many of these absurdist works of art, yet we don’t cover children’s eyes from the likes of Pollock.

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Post by donatj »

hbosch wrote: post #175
cowpig wrote: post #155

I don't believe in this kind of censorship and that medium article just reads like a bunch of alarmist nonsense to me. I was exposed to tons of super-weird stuff on TV an the internet (adult swim, fat-pie, etc) and so were most of my friends growing up. I don't think it was problematic for any of us. When you're a kid and something feels disturbing, you turn it off. Our society really doesn't give kids any credit for…

It's one thing when you discovered porn in the 90's at the age of 12, versus being 5 years old and watching Spiderman rape & murder Elsa.

My guess though is that a lot of the kids watching that searched for just that because kids are a lot weirder than we like to believe.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by yzmtf2008 »

donatj wrote: post #302
yzmtf2008 wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>When you're a kid and something feels disturbing, you turn it off. Do you realize these are the "most popular" child videos on YouTube? Gosh, the fact that these people are making money off of it is proof that "kids" are watching these videos, and are apparently not capable of "just turning them off". Yeah right, maybe that happened to you. I'm not confident my (hypothetical) kid watching these videos can turn them…

The kids are choosing what they want to watch and it doesn’t fit societies made up ideal for what children should want to watch. It’s scary just like rock and roll was scary 50 years ago. I am only hearing the exact same moral panic arguments given about Elvis’s hips. Just because you don’t like something and can’t understand why someone else would, doesn’t make it bad. You are just too old to see the value in things…

Yes, these videos are bad. The reasons are clearly listed in the article and the video in it.

"5 years old and watching Spiderman rape & murder Elsa" is never something you should let a child watch. I'm sorry, but this is not something Pollock would ever cover. This is child pornography level of stuff. Or, are you saying that is also something perfectly fine for any audience?

I'm really amazed by the mental gymnastics one has to perform to compare these videos to Pollock and Rock and Roll.

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Post by gbear605 »

Mz wrote: post #288
freeone3000 wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already have the right to fire people at will, and it already isn't their problem. Now those people have some income instead of none.

Currently, UBI does not exist. So, no, they do not "now" have some income. Additionally, I am aware they can fire people at will. But how laws and social contracts get interpreted changes when policies change. Welfare made it vastly more acceptable for women to have babies out of wedlock. It was intended for "the deserving poor" and designed to help poor single mothers at a time when most single moms were widows. The…

> They don't actually explore the horror of living in a world with little to no hope of getting a job while inflation erodes the value of UBI.

Better than the horror of living in a world with little to no hope of getting a job while also having no income at all.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by donatj »

yzmtf2008 wrote: post #304
donatj wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The kids are choosing what they want to watch and it doesn’t fit societies made up ideal for what children should want to watch. It’s scary just like rock and roll was scary 50 years ago. I am only hearing the exact same moral panic arguments given about Elvis’s hips. Just because you don’t like something and can’t understand why someone else would, doesn’t make it bad. You are just too old to see the value in things…

Yes, these videos are bad. The reasons are clearly listed in the article and the video in it. "5 years old and watching Spiderman rape & murder Elsa" is never something you should let a child watch. I'm sorry, but this is not something Pollock would ever cover. This is child pornography level of stuff. Or, are you saying that is also something perfectly fine for any audience? I'm really amazed by the mental gymnastic…

Explain the actual harm. Enumerate it. I get that you don’t personally like it, and thus don’t want your child to watch it, but do you think it’s going to make your child a rapist?

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Post by yzmtf2008 »

donatj wrote: post #306
yzmtf2008 wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, these videos are bad. The reasons are clearly listed in the article and the video in it. "5 years old and watching Spiderman rape & murder Elsa" is never something you should let a child watch. I'm sorry, but this is not something Pollock would ever cover. This is child pornography level of stuff. Or, are you saying that is also something perfectly fine for any audience? I'm really amazed by the mental gymnastic…

Explain the actual harm. Enumerate it. I get that you don’t personally like it, and thus don’t want your child to watch it, but do you think it’s going to make your child a rapist?

I'll cite a fellow HN user: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15674870

Or this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15674305

Or how about this medium article? https://medium.com/@jamesbridle/something-is-wrong-on-the-in...

Many people have presented their case on this issue. In this thread or elsewhere. Please don't pretend they don't exist by saying "Explain the actual harm. Enumerate it." Where's your proof that these videos are harmless or even beneficial to children?

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Post by dang »

mattbeckman wrote: post #138

Also, in case you glazed over the link to the recent Medium article, here it is: https://medium.com/@jamesbridle/something-is-wrong-on-the-in... I read it last night after the wife recommended it ... and wow.

Discussed a few days ago at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15637504.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by colanderman »

freddie_mercury wrote: post #283
colanderman wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disney movies generally makes sense and have some logic rooted in the real world . Yes there are talking animals and magic but the stories ultimately relate to the human experience. I think the problem with the crap the author finds is that – it is nonsensical . These videos addict kids by triggering their innate desire to seek out novel/scary situations and explore them. This instinct exists so kids learn about the…

Sounds like the same complaints that were made about the greatest children's book of all time -- Alice in Wonderland. A book entirely based on illogical nonsense.

Actually I was thinking of the Disney film adaptation of that as an example of the kind of nonsensical visual stuff that can linger in a kid's head forever. I still distinctly remember the scene with the cards marching angrily. Why were they cards? Why were they angry? Why were they scary? Didn't matter then, doesn't matter now, but to my 3-year-old brain it was really important to try to answer those questions.

I haven't read the book, but given that it's based much more on wordplay as a means of humor (and therefore the exploration of what is, and isn't, sensical in the real world -- the core of humor) than on... algorithmic garbage..., and that it's intended for 8-13 year olds (the ages of its first audience) rather than 2-6 year olds (the target audience of nursery rhymes etc. that the videos in the article are based on), it's somewhat tangential to the point that I and the article are trying to make.

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