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Re: Ask HN: Is my career doomed if I don’t become an AI/ML Developer?

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Post by agitator »

tw1010 wrote: post #25

I would bet a small fortune that the ML hype will not live up to expectation on a 7 year horizon. It is true that there are cool things coming out of the field, and it is true that there are a lot of smart people are entering the field. But the demand for researchers, using actual mathematics day-to-day, is going to be incredibly slim compared to what you'd think it'll be if you read the news about this stuff. Data s…

Give it a year or two and you will see frameworks where the complex mathematics behind ML will be more abstracted away, the model architectures used for various applications will converge on their best uses and any software engineer will be able to train a model to do what they want and apply it to their product. There's a lot of hype right now, but you probably won't need the in-depth ML knowledge to get create products in the coming future. Right now there is still a lot of research (trial and error) on fiddling with architectures to get the best results. Personally I like to build products, and struggling with messy training code, running tests, and comparing results aren't my cup of tea.

Re: Ask HN: Is my career doomed if I don’t become an AI/ML Developer?

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Post by hkmurakami »

vturner wrote: post #12

There's plenty of comments on saying no your career is not doomed. I'll add that using HackerNews is not a strong way of grasping industry needs. If one took their advice solely from HackerNews, one might think the only tech that matters is JavaScript and associated framework of the season. This is simply not true...check out indeed.com, many many languages are in demand. Lastly, AI might be the thing of the future b…

I was in "nanotechnology" during its heyday in academia and the inside joke was that everyone slapped "nanoparticles" onto whatever grant proposal they were writing, because the funding probably increased greatly with buzzword association.

Re: Ask HN: Is my career doomed if I don’t become an AI/ML Developer?

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Post by ilaksh »

swagasaurus-rex wrote: post #60
ilaksh wrote: post #41

It's not practical to do complex math every time there is a new application of AI. So the amount of math necessary will be limited. Devs will probably shortly need to be able to use AI libraries and/or cloud systems. This may be complex and use a little math sometimes but doesn't require a math degree. Less math becomes necessary over time as off the shelf becomes more powerful. The next part is controversial but I p…

Why 2019?

2019 because it looks to me like some groups like Ogma, Open AI, Deep Mind, as well as probably several others that aren't widely popularized, are starting to put various aspects of it together but it seems too speculative to assume anyone will both have all of the capabilities and in a strong enough level next year. I think someone may put it together more or less in 2018 but it will be nailed in a way that most can't deny in 2019.

Re: Ask HN: Is my career doomed if I don’t become an AI/ML Developer?

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Post by thisisit »

Short answer no.

Long answer, most if not all people who go on about AI/ML/Data science etc are people who don't really understand the nuances completely. They might have done Andrew Ng's course over coursera and calling themselves AI/ML expert. So, they are the physical manifestation of the proverb - "empty vessels make more noise".

Re: Ask HN: Is my career doomed if I don’t become an AI/ML Developer?

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Post by shortoncash »

PeterisP wrote: post #2

1) ML is still going to be a tiny niche in numbers of all the software things that need to be done, it's just a comparably new and trendy niche, so it gets talked about. 2) In most ML projects, the majority of the necessary code written has nothing to do with ML, it's all the data transformation, transformation pipeline, service backend, data management tools, etc etc; so in a multi-person ML project usually most dev…

100% correct.

I am a statistician and a developer and my work falls into the domain of machine learning. The vast majority of my job is really painful data gathering, scrubbing, and fighting the toolchain. I have done this for YEARS, and the software is never just right, requires tons of tuning, huge budgets, and understanding management. These variables just don't line up that often. OP has nothing to worry about.

Moreover, the math stuff just gets abstracted away into a library. It's never like what went on in graduate school.

Re: Ask HN: Is my career doomed if I don’t become an AI/ML Developer?

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Post by user68858788 »

I'm seeing associate level devops positions being completely replaced by ML. I was deeply skeptical - and still am - but I can't argue with the results. I'm a little worried of dev teams relying on hardware they don't understand, but that's happening with or without ML.

Re: Ask HN: Is my career doomed if I don’t become an AI/ML Developer?

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Post by jreuben111 »

There is still a significant technical hurdle to overcome: position a programming problem as a machine learning problem. If we can take a semi-formal compilable spec snippet as a feature-set, and an AST subgraph as a labeled point, and bash that into tensors, then yes, a lot of code monkeys will be out of a job. All this hype of job automation of waiters and truck drivers - software engineering will be the first job to be "roboticized" - it has the least meatspace moving parts.

Re: Ask HN: Is my career doomed if I don’t become an AI/ML Developer?

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Post by muzani »

tw1010 wrote: post #25

I would bet a small fortune that the ML hype will not live up to expectation on a 7 year horizon. It is true that there are cool things coming out of the field, and it is true that there are a lot of smart people are entering the field. But the demand for researchers, using actual mathematics day-to-day, is going to be incredibly slim compared to what you'd think it'll be if you read the news about this stuff. Data s…

People have said this about apps and it's still going. I think eventually ML will become a grunt job like Android, PHP and so on.

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