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Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by lliamander »

hnzix wrote: post #179
mattbeckman wrote: post #138

Also, in case you glazed over the link to the recent Medium article, here it is: https://medium.com/@jamesbridle/something-is-wrong-on-the-in... I read it last night after the wife recommended it ... and wow.

This is just the latest iteration of how any website is only 7 Kevin Bacon clicks away from rotten.com. The net is vast and infinite and funnels the human id. Autotegenerated content will never be a clean feed until machine learning evolves. Or to put it another way, teach your kids to talk with you if they see or experience something icky.

And also don't allow access to an internet-enabled device without direct supervision until they are fairly mature.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by imustbeevil »

Veratyr wrote: post #141
imustbeevil wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> No, YouTube takes a cut of their ad revenue. YouTube isn't a charity, it's a business. YouTube lets anyone upload videos to their site for free. All of the ad revenue is theirs, as they have the direct relationships with the advertisers. They give content creators a cut of YouTube's ad revenue, not the other way around. When creators manage their own connections to advertisers (sponsors, native, merch) YouTube does…

> YouTube lets anyone upload videos to their site for free. Yes, YouTube doesn't charge you to upload a video. > All of the ad revenue is theirs, as they have the direct relationships with the advertisers. All of the money goes _through_ YouTube but it doesn't belong to YouTube. There's a (formal, legal) agreement between YouTube and creators that predetermines how much of that revenue belongs to YouTube and how much…

> There's a (formal, legal) agreement between YouTube and creators that predetermines how much of that revenue belongs to YouTube and how much belongs to the creator.

Yes, that is the cut that they give the creator. Not the cut that they take from the creator. Advertisers are not talking to hundreds of thousands of creators, they're talking to YouTube. They give YouTube money and YouTube places advertisements on videos. The value that YouTube provides is necessarily greater than the portion of the advertising revenue they keep, otherwise creators would host their videos on their own sites / DailyMotion / Vimeo. And some creators do host on those sites, because they've decided that they aren't getting more value out of YouTube than elsewhere, that's a decision they're always free to make.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by derefr »

ansible wrote: post #110
microcolonel wrote: post #107

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I never understood how it was possible for little girls to watch the same movie literally hundreds of times, sometimes twice in one day. Some day science will get around to the real mysteries like this. I think I've tried to erase the memories of torture I survived, hearing Horton Hears a Who played most days for almost a year.

I've heard some plausible theories. For a young kid, the world is a strange and unpredictable place. Which means "scary" in some sense. Watching a video (that the kid has seen many times before) is actually comforting. The kid can predict what's going to happen next, and is happy when expectations match reality. There's possibly something similar going on with people on the autistic end of the spectrum, which may exp…

I find rewatching things I still remember the plots of intolerable... when I'm fully awake.

When I'm trying to fall asleep, I will almost always put on an episode of a podcast I've heard 500 times. It's more soothing than one of those ambient-noise apps.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by derefr »

syncsynchalt wrote: post #119
microcolonel wrote: post #107

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I never understood how it was possible for little girls to watch the same movie literally hundreds of times, sometimes twice in one day. Some day science will get around to the real mysteries like this. I think I've tried to erase the memories of torture I survived, hearing Horton Hears a Who played most days for almost a year.

There's a lot of articles on this, the belief is that children crave predictability so they re-watch movies to the point that they can predict everything that will happen. https://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/12/kids-and-movi...

Adults crave predictability too; they've just seen enough stuff to be able to predict most of the things one encounters out in society.

But watch a YouTube video of a magic trick, and you'll likely click back and re-watch the critical moment a few times before you've even realized what you're doing. Even if you don't end up understanding what happens, your brain inherently wants to make sure you are entirely clear on what you saw, so it can learn the raw fact that "this is a thing that can happen" and then attempt to reconstruct your mental models and schemas to take that evidence into account.

Kids just need to do that for, well, everything.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by _m8fo »

honest question: why is it OK if it's adult that's targeted but not OK if it's children? Literally any argument you apply to the latter applies to the former:

1. still developing -> adults technically are, too.

2. more naive -> naivete is a function of life experience. there are plenty of naive adults.

etc.

how about we just not advertise, at all. this is virtue signaling at its finest. as long as advertising is targeted, children will be targeted. marketers will just make their efforts more opaque.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by corey_moncure »

teddyh wrote: post #70
mynewtb wrote: post #32

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How on earth can parents willingly expose their children to any kind of advertisement is beyond me. Adblocking is a must. Especially at such young age, you should know and control all manipulative media your kid consumes.

In my jurisdiction, any and all advertisement aimed at children is illegal, full stop. It continuously amazes me that this is not the norm in the rest of the world.

Whereas in my jurisdiction (USA), corporate media conglomerates employ PhD trained child psychologists who research the exact pattern and timing of flashes and other stimuli to catch an iron grip on a child's attention.

Our children do not stand a chance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi63rXnuWbw

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by derefr »

teddyh wrote: post #95
toasterlovin wrote: post #88

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Where is your jurisdiction?

Sweden, but on closer inspection it seems I was mistaken. There are, however, very strict rules: • No junk mail addressed to anyone under 16 years of age. • No TV advertisements directed towards, or meant to catch the attention of, anyone under 12 years of age. Additionally, in TV shows aimed at children below 12, there can be: 1. No commercials preceding or following the program, nor any commercial breaks in the pro…

It's funny that the TV ad part has the "meant to catch the attention of" clause, but the junk mail part doesn't. So you could likely send a house flyers, or catalogues addressed to "homeowner" or whatever, of exclusively kids' toys, and that'd be fine.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by derefr »

alasdair_ wrote: post #176
squeaky-clean wrote: post #157

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Probably because the people complaining are not the same ones who are leaving their kids unattended with these videos. This thread is full of parents saying that they banned youtube for their child because these algorithmic videos have began to fill all youtube searches for kids. I think it's more of a "why did bots and inattentive parents fuck it up for the rest of us."

>I think it's more of a "why did bots and inattentive parents fuck it up for the rest of us." The main complaint is that Youtube Kids (an explicitly kid-friendly subset of youtube, with its own app and parental controls) is being targeted in this way. I assume "the rest of us" are not generally using this version of youtube.

"The rest of us" parents, not "the rest of us" people.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by throw2016 »

0-7 years is critical. Most of us were exposed to controlled media. This is not the case anymore.

Some of this imagery and content can have lasting and damaging impact. Parents should absolutely watch this period carefully and either supervise consumption or have controlled environments.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by gpetukhov »

macspoofing wrote: post #169
parmesan wrote: post #166

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I appreciate that they crack down on content that is obviously designed to hurt and traumatise.

Not one of the cited videos in the article was a example of something that is 'designed to hurt and traumatise'

I agree. They are designed to get as many views from kids. Them being traumatic may be a side effect, but not the goal.
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