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Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by Veratyr »

imustbeevil wrote: post #69
ravenstine wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A couple channels I used to enjoy have clearly limited their swearing, probably because they are afraid of losing their livelihood. I just see this as yet another reason to have adblock installed. Hope you're learning to enjoy cable TV again, folks!

YouTube hosts, monetizes, and promotes their content for free, and you're upset they can't curse as much anymore. People like Philip Defranco, while still pointing out the damage YouTube is doing to the ecosystem, monetize outside of YouTube to maintain control of their product. If the people you watch don't have a Patreon / Sponsors / merch, they are willingly submitting to the YouTube monetization algorithm. It fee…

> YouTube hosts, monetizes, and promotes their content for free

No, YouTube takes a cut of their ad revenue. YouTube isn't a charity, it's a business.

> It feels kind of entitled to want to get money from YouTube ads, but not produce content that those advertisers are willing to place ads on.

Advertisers historically haven't really cared much about language. This whole mess was triggered by ads on a terrorist video iirc.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by spyder »

imron wrote: post #22
zimpenfish wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the constant focus on family friendly content is killing basically all of the channels I really enjoy watching If you're not paying for YouTube, they have to get money from somewhere and if those somewheres don't want to advertise on non-family friendly content, what are YouTube supposed to do? Go bankrupt on principle?

Something like Patreon where people pay for premium content would work. They could set something up so creators could mark videos as premium, and then people have to pay a certain amount to watch. Google already has the payments side of things covered from their other services, it really wouldn't be a stretch to add something like this. Creators are basically having to do this anyway using a different site (Patreon)…

They had it:

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/3249135?hl=en

They killing/changing it:

http://variety.com/2017/digital/news/youtube-kills-paid-chan...

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by ghaff »

CPLX wrote: post #90
imustbeevil wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube hosts, monetizes, and promotes their content for free, and you're upset they can't curse as much anymore. People like Philip Defranco, while still pointing out the damage YouTube is doing to the ecosystem, monetize outside of YouTube to maintain control of their product. If the people you watch don't have a Patreon / Sponsors / merch, they are willingly submitting to the YouTube monetization algorithm. It fee…

You have a pretty curious definition of "for free" here. My understanding is that YouTube sells billions of dollars of advertising against this content and keeps quite of bit of that money for themselves.

Not charging you for something is a pretty conventional definition for "free." Of course, they have their own motives to not charge you for hosting videos--which includes making money off associated advertising.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by Veratyr »

ravenstine wrote: post #55
reustle wrote: post #9

It's (un)surprising how fast YouTube responds to this somewhat mild criticism, while holding steady on their radio silence regarding the large amounts of huge creators who are getting demonetized and community strikes against their accounts. Nearly every big channel I watch has posted a video complaining about it in the past 2 months, with many just this week. Gives you some good insight on where their priorities are…

A couple channels I used to enjoy have clearly limited their swearing, probably because they are afraid of losing their livelihood. I just see this as yet another reason to have adblock installed. Hope you're learning to enjoy cable TV again, folks!

I think that's an overreaction. You can still see plenty of monetized swearing on YouTube. Go look at Hell's Kitchen videos.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by teddyh »

toasterlovin wrote: post #88
teddyh wrote: post #70

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In my jurisdiction, any and all advertisement aimed at children is illegal, full stop. It continuously amazes me that this is not the norm in the rest of the world.

Where is your jurisdiction?

Sweden, but on closer inspection it seems I was mistaken. There are, however, very strict rules:

• No junk mail addressed to anyone under 16 years of age.

• No TV advertisements directed towards, or meant to catch the attention of, anyone under 12 years of age. Additionally, in TV shows aimed at children below 12, there can be:

1. No commercials preceding or following the program, nor any commercial breaks in the program itself.

2. No product placements of any kind.

• People or characters from TV shows aimed at children below 12 are not allowed to do any product endorsements, in any context.

• All the above rules for TV shows also apply to the internet.

• Commercials aimed at anyone under 18 are not allowed to directly instruct the child to buy, or to ask anyone else to buy, the product.

• Commercials aimed at anyone under 18 can not be disguised as anything else; it must be clear that it is a commercial and nothing else. This includes in-app advertisements, which are therefore not allowed.

Source: https://www.konsumentverket.se/for-foretag/marknadsforing/re...

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by teddyh »

rconti wrote: post #84
mynewtb wrote: post #32

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How on earth can parents willingly expose their children to any kind of advertisement is beyond me. Adblocking is a must. Especially at such young age, you should know and control all manipulative media your kid consumes.

You mean like TV ads, billboards, bumper stickers, magazines, newspapers, NPR sponsors, ....

Yes, indeed. Like in São Paulo.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by blattimwind »

fapjacks wrote: post #68
mynewtb wrote: post #32

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How on earth can parents willingly expose their children to any kind of advertisement is beyond me. Adblocking is a must. Especially at such young age, you should know and control all manipulative media your kid consumes.

RIGHT. People complaining about these bizarre violent videos but they'll sit their kids in front of mind control all day.

"I cannot be bothered to look after my offspring therefore I will downvote whomever doubts that education-by-internet for two year olds is appropiate"

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by leggomylibro »

richmarr wrote: post #25
tmaly wrote: post #8

What I find interesting is when you have parental controls on, and your playing a kids video, the advertisements are not something a kid should be shown.

It reminds me of the surprisingly-high proportion of content available without subtitles/captions. It's 2017 and plenty of people are deaf, and yet the BBC, Netflix, Amazon, etc. regularly pretend this section of their audience doesn't exist. My guess is that is an instance of poor diversity within the team that set the early direction for YouTube. Maybe a team with a higher proportion of parents respresented might h…

I'm not sure what you mean? Netflix got sued for not following the ADA over that exact issue, and it looks like they came into compliance years ago after settling and landing on a captioning framework with the National Association for the Deaf.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/11/tech/web/netflix-subtitles-set...

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by rrhd »

imustbeevil wrote: post #69
ravenstine wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A couple channels I used to enjoy have clearly limited their swearing, probably because they are afraid of losing their livelihood. I just see this as yet another reason to have adblock installed. Hope you're learning to enjoy cable TV again, folks!

YouTube hosts, monetizes, and promotes their content for free, and you're upset they can't curse as much anymore. People like Philip Defranco, while still pointing out the damage YouTube is doing to the ecosystem, monetize outside of YouTube to maintain control of their product. If the people you watch don't have a Patreon / Sponsors / merch, they are willingly submitting to the YouTube monetization algorithm. It fee…

Youtube is built entirely on their content, but they have to censor themselves because otherwise youtube might screw them.

Re: YouTube says it will crack down on bizarre videos targeting children

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Post by ceejayoz »

sbjustin wrote: post #13

We used to let our 3 y/o watch youtube. She learned lots of things from there which was amazing. Colors, Numbers, the alphabet; all by the time she was 2. I'm not a teacher by any means so it was awesome to see this happen. Then these weird videos started showing up. We took youtube away for exactly these videos that are mentioned in this link. These are targeting children and it's sick.

Same situation here. My daughter sought out phonics and sign language videos, and could count in three languages because of YouTube. It's disappointing and saddening to see it take such a quick turn to a harmful, dangerous place for kids.
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