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Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Seriously. Win7 had a lot of the 'simple stuff just works' without the home-phoning, but how long d'you think a Windows 7 machine will be able to stay connected to the internet?

It'll receive security patches until January 14, 2020. https://support.microsoft.com/en-ca/help/13853/windows-lifec...

So, ~2 years. Case in point :(

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Nothing more than bitching, moaning, complaining and fanboying about ecosystems. Sure, there are issues in the mac ecosystem that frustrate me but the mac ecosystem, on the whole, is an excellent system that works great for most people. Plus, there are a large number of 3rd party solutions to tailor the experience to your needs. Since we're allowing fanboying, Windows is still by far the biggest pile of shit to work…

I thought the Windows Subsystem for Linux was kinda funny, but actually it's so well integrated and useful for all the reasons people like using Linux (more correctly, their shell of choice). Where Apple is so neurotically anti-GPLv3 that they've allowed the GPLv2 stuff in macOS to get extremely old. And I see no evidence those ancient tools like rsync 2.1.9 are even getting security updates. That is the platform I s…

The WSL is absolutely not integrated at all. It's pretty horrible.

What terminal do you use with it? Powershell? How do you cut and paste between terminals? Tabs? I found the only way to have a decent Unix terminal experience was to run an Xserver and connect to it from powershell.

Install git in WSL, clone down some projects and then access those files you just cloned down from Windows Explorer. Show the integration there...

The MacOS/Unix integration is light-years ahead of WSL- because the MacOS actually runs Unix, it's not just bolted on.

The people that claim that WSL is integrated with W10 can't have used it for more than 30 min. Otherwise they wouldn't comment about it.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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I don't understand what the author wants to actually do with his Mac other than screw around with VR.

What feature is lacking today in OSX that stops any developer from uh actually coding and working? What do you want Apple to add? Oh, wait for it....

Stickers in iMessage? You really want that? I did a spit take when I read this and then I realized this was nothing but some click-bait.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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The only reason I'm staying with macOS is because it is the only UNIX distribution that doesn't look downright ugly. (Sorry Linux, none of your distros match up to Apple's offering) I've had lots of teething issues with High Sierra (especially with APFS) and I certainly don't like the new butterfly keyboard in the new MacBook Pros. But on the other hand, they've got the best gesture controls. With Windows 10 you can…

Since Apple has given up on keeping what really matters for a Unix, its tools, up to date the amount of time you have to spend installing the latest version of things like Bash is actually higher for OSX than Windows these days. I am aware that at least one of the reasons for Apple to ship stone-age versions of everything from Emacs to GCC is that they hate GPL3. But the reasons don't matter when the latest version o…

Just use zsh instead of bash, it's superior anyways.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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post #53

I don't understand what the author wants to actually do with his Mac other than screw around with VR. What feature is lacking today in OSX that stops any developer from uh actually coding and working? What do you want Apple to add? Oh, wait for it.... Stickers in iMessage? You really want that? I did a spit take when I read this and then I realized this was nothing but some click-bait.

> lifelong Windows user

> gets a Mac and "finally pick[s] up web development" in 2013

> laments lack of iMessage stickers

> goes back to Windows because they have a 'Linux' terminal

Yup, click-bait.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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post #46

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I thought the Windows Subsystem for Linux was kinda funny, but actually it's so well integrated and useful for all the reasons people like using Linux (more correctly, their shell of choice). Where Apple is so neurotically anti-GPLv3 that they've allowed the GPLv2 stuff in macOS to get extremely old. And I see no evidence those ancient tools like rsync 2.1.9 are even getting security updates. That is the platform I s…

The WSL is absolutely not integrated at all. It's pretty horrible. What terminal do you use with it? Powershell? How do you cut and paste between terminals? Tabs? I found the only way to have a decent Unix terminal experience was to run an Xserver and connect to it from powershell. Install git in WSL, clone down some projects and then access those files you just cloned down from Windows Explorer. Show the integration…

It's a fair point that it is not as well integrated as the native approach that you get with either macOS or Linux or BSD. But you absolutely should be able to right click copy paste between terminals. And yes I can update Apple's crusty shit with Homebrew, but the staleness of Apple's CLI tools is a blight.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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To each their own, but FWIW, I have a MBP and an X1 and I _greatly_ prefer the former. I think the new touch bars were a mistake, and I think Apple is expensive and the QA going downhill, but the overall quality and customer service are still miles and miles beyond the X1.

Yes, Apple customer service is worlds beyond Lenovo, I had to return a defective laptop and it took months and painful calls. But still, the hardware is just more competitive in Lenovo. And YMMV but I can't deal with the new MBPs' keyboard, touch bar and lack of ports. It's just a show stopper for me.

I've got Acer fix mine in 2 weeks including delivery. How can Lenovo be that bad.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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Yuck... Why not try arch linux? Much better... imho. Antergos is a good user friendly distro that I highly recommend. Why is it always windows vs apple..when linux -- esp for tech savvy folks/developers is so much better?

Because none of the Linux distros look as good as what Apple (or even Microsoft) has to offer. ElementaryOS is heading in the right direction, but I cannot shake off the feeling that it's still using design languages relevant to 2010, not 2017.

I've been using Fluxbox for a decade, and couldn't stand OSX or Windows when I tried using them for a few months. Fluxbox looks slick and it's super fast, though it took a while to configure. I have nothing behind my windows but a background image and a clock, battery, wifi indicator, and the desktop number in the lower right corner. I start most programs from the terminal anyway and use virtual desktops instead of minimizing things.

I defined keystrokes for resizing windows, opening terminals, switching between virtual desktops. Using alt-click to drag and resize windows is also nice because it means the windows need almost no frame and you don't have to aim. Now I get frustrated with other OSes. For example, when I read a book off a webpage with useless banners on the top and bottom, I like to resize my browser so it's larger than the screen and the useless parts of the webpage are off the screen. This is easy to do if you have keystrokes for resizing windows....

On the other hand, everyone else has trouble using my computer. And this will likely get worse. Eventually I'll switch from Dvorak to a steno keyboard.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, Apple customer service is worlds beyond Lenovo, I had to return a defective laptop and it took months and painful calls. But still, the hardware is just more competitive in Lenovo. And YMMV but I can't deal with the new MBPs' keyboard, touch bar and lack of ports. It's just a show stopper for me.

I've got Acer fix mine in 2 weeks including delivery. How can Lenovo be that bad.

It was a bit of a mess. Took 4 weeks from ordering to delivery, arrived defective. Called them, they said we'll pick it up, repair it and return in 1 week, I said ok. After 3 weeks I called them, they say they are waiting for a spare part, will take ~2 months. I say I want a new one, they tell me ok but that they need to send me the broken one and then I need to restart everything, so ~5 weeks more. Definitely the worst thing about Lenovo is CS.

Re: Why I left Mac for Windows: Apple has given up

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At my startup we just bought 4 new 2017 13" MBPs. We bought some expensive USB c to HDMI adapters so we could connect two monitors to them.

3 out of the 4 MBPs have a fault which causes the second screen to flicker and bug out. We tried every combination of the adapters but the 3 MBPs were consistently faulty.

After searching the web, it turns out this is a very common defect in them since at least 2016.

The repairs will be covered by Apple care, but it doesn't excuse the fact that our brand new laptops have to be sent for repairs before they're even used.

Plus we've lost time whilst we wait for them to be fixed.

Learned the hard way to make sure we buy stock in advance so we can test and repair it before it's needed.

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