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Re: Chrome breaks the Web

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Post by mad182 » Thu, Nov 09, 2017, 7:17 AM UTC

KeitIG wrote: post #9

> they made all top-level event listeners passive by default. They call it “an intervention”. This is my very problem with Chrome/Chromium right now. The Chrome team does assumption on how things "should" be (in a highly subjective way) and breaks the web. Another example: they decided to ignore the value of `autocomplete` attributes on ` ` tags [1], because: > The tricky part here is that somewhere along the journey…

As a user I think ignoring autocomplete="off" is great decision. More often than not it's misused and annoying.

As a developer, I have never used it anyway, so don't care.

Re: Chrome breaks the Web

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Post by bluetwo » Fri, Nov 10, 2017, 2:57 AM UTC

jimktrains2 wrote: post #459

bluetwo wrote: post #449

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is arrogant to assume this is true of every single use case.

I really can't think of a scenario where the end-user not being in full control of their credentials is good. Are there situations in which it is easier if the admin can just reset it, sure. Is that a good idea, no.

Your mistake is thinking a login is a person and a person has an email.

I have run into all three of these scenarios:

1) A login for an administrator area on a server has a different login/password than the main area, and the browser always fills in the main login/password, even though I ask it not to. autocomplete=off would fix this.

2) A new user and edit user screens exist in web apps that are driven by users sign-ups. Sometimes these things need to be coordinated with other systems in a corporation and users do not always have their own email (I know this is a shock for you, but it is very common). autocomplete=off would fix this.

3) Using a remote admin tool to setup a datasource on a server, the username and password fields refer to database credentials, not a person. Yet Chrome keeps filling in my info. autocomplete=off would fix this.

Re: Chrome breaks the Web

#473

Post by walterstucco » Fri, Nov 10, 2017, 2:03 PM UTC

dwild wrote: post #451

walterstucco wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The problem with this view is that the vast majority of end users do not want I'm a user. I want that. I'm probably not "a majority" but I fail to see how being assimilated to the majority without my consent, without even knowing it is happening, is "protecting my interests" What would you think of a restaurant that charges you 50% of the bill as tip because "the majority of the customers does that"?

> What would you think of a restaurant that charges you 50% of the bill as tip because "the majority of the customers does that"? I don't know about you but when I go to the restaurant, I can't change the price of the items. If they set the tip for you, that's pretty much setting the price, isn't it?

> If they set the tip for you, that's pretty much setting the price, isn't it?

I forgot HN is mostly an american place.

Tip in most Europe is voluntary

We don't force people to tip