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Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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Re: Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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There was a thing on BBC where they rated drugs by their danger. If I remember correctly, nicotine and alcohol were way up the list, much higher than most illegal drugs.

Well, the impact is greater because the availability is much wider. Social acceptance can make most any evil the norn. Just look at obesity/diabetes. Now there's a killer no one REALLY wants to talk about.

People talk about obesity all the time. The problem is nobody knows what to do about it.

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Cause or correlation? Given the (bad) dietary and lifestyle habits of the majority of people, it's too easy to attribute something to X when in fact it's likely Y or Z.

Full disclosure: I'm half way through Grain Brain (having read Wheat Belly a couple years ago) and the current "ideal diet" is anything but.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a thing on BBC where they rated drugs by their danger. If I remember correctly, nicotine and alcohol were way up the list, much higher than most illegal drugs.

Well, the impact is greater because the availability is much wider. Social acceptance can make most any evil the norn. Just look at obesity/diabetes. Now there's a killer no one REALLY wants to talk about.

This is talking about the personal danger, not the total societal impact.

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Alcohol is definitely one of the most harmful drugs out there. In terms of addictiveness, physical side effects (short and long term), and the kind of behavior that people are likely to engage in while under the influence, the only things worse are probably IV painkillers and smoked meth/crack. As a society we need to get our heads out of our asses and challenge our notions of what kind of drug use is and isn't accep…

There is a case to do policy that relates to dealing with addiction and public health, but I garner immediate rejection at the idea that the State should devise policy with the goals of affecting what people should or should not do with themselves.

The 'war on crime' is a modern example of what happens to both consumers and providers when the State gets between them.

Edit: I meant 'War on drugs'.

Re: Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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>It's perfectly fine to tell my boss that I got too drunk on Friday but if I tell him that I took psychedelic mushrooms or my friend's ADHD meds I probably wouldn't be employed much longer. So? I ask seriously - what are you arguing for exactly.

We should gauge drugs based on how harmful they are, from a legislative and social standpoint. There's a lot of misinformation regarding the harmfulness of currently-illegal drugs, just as there is a sort of silence as to exactly how dangerous alcohol is.

Ya, for example, I've seen people react with surprise when they're told (withdrawal from) heavy drinking can cause life threatening seizures.

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Alcohol is definitely one of the most harmful drugs out there. In terms of addictiveness, physical side effects (short and long term), and the kind of behavior that people are likely to engage in while under the influence, the only things worse are probably IV painkillers and smoked meth/crack. As a society we need to get our heads out of our asses and challenge our notions of what kind of drug use is and isn't accep…

There was a thing on BBC where they rated drugs by their danger. If I remember correctly, nicotine and alcohol were way up the list, much higher than most illegal drugs.

My favourite is always Professor David Nutt, fired from his position advising the Home Office for saying ecstasy and LSD were less dangerous than alcohol.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/30/drugs-advis...

EDIT: David Nutt on how ecstasy isn't as dangerous as "Equasy"

http://www.encod.org/info/EQUASY-A-HARMFUL-ADDICTION.html

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Alcohol is definitely one of the most harmful drugs out there. In terms of addictiveness, physical side effects (short and long term), and the kind of behavior that people are likely to engage in while under the influence, the only things worse are probably IV painkillers and smoked meth/crack. As a society we need to get our heads out of our asses and challenge our notions of what kind of drug use is and isn't accep…

IDK but more than one addict has told me their habit was a symptom of a deeper (emotional?) ill. So we could ban alcohol but then what? Would that solve a problem or will something else just take its place?

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post #17
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a thing on BBC where they rated drugs by their danger. If I remember correctly, nicotine and alcohol were way up the list, much higher than most illegal drugs.

My favourite is always Professor David Nutt, fired from his position advising the Home Office for saying ecstasy and LSD were less dangerous than alcohol. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/oct/30/drugs-advis... EDIT: David Nutt on how ecstasy isn't as dangerous as "Equasy" http://www.encod.org/info/EQUASY-A-HARMFUL-ADDICTION.html

Well, MDMA did in fact start as a therapeutic drug. It's roots are not a street / designer drug.

Re: Cancer Doctors Cite Risks of Drinking Alcohol

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Well, the impact is greater because the availability is much wider. Social acceptance can make most any evil the norn. Just look at obesity/diabetes. Now there's a killer no one REALLY wants to talk about.

People talk about obesity all the time. The problem is nobody knows what to do about it.

I think we know what to do but nobody has the courage to do something.
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