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I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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I have never, ever dealt with any above mid-sized company that handles customer service and delivery well. There seems to be a set of standardised industry practices that are completely and utterly customer hostile. The moment regular company employees stop dealing with customer issues, delivery, etc., and hands it over to "specialists", it's basically a crap shoot whether you can get any issue resolved at all, becau…

I have never, ever dealt with any above mid-sized company that handles customer service and delivery well. I have. Amazon. Over 15 years now and flawless every time.

I 100% agree.

The day that I became a lifelong Amazon customer was when I mistakenly ordered a mattress to the wrong address via Prime. I noticed the mistake some 28 hours after placing the order. I nearly said that I called them to tell them about my mistake, but that isn't true. I typed in my number online AND THEY CALLED ME when an operator was available. The operator quickly calmed me down and told it was "nothing to worry about". She cancelled the shipment of the mattress going to the wrong side of the US and placed an order for a replacement within 2 minutes of learning about the problem. On top of that, without being asked, she upgraded my replacement to 1 day shipping FOR FREE so that my order would still arrive by the original delivery date.

Since I screwed up in such a ridiculous way, that I would have fully expected to have gotten slammed with a return shipping fee, a shipping fee for the replacement, and even some kind of BS replacement fee. But Amazon took the bullet and provided me the the best customer service I ever could have hoped for, which prevented me from having to sleep on the ground for even one extra night.

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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I have never, ever dealt with any above mid-sized company that handles customer service and delivery well. I have. Amazon. Over 15 years now and flawless every time.

That's because they fuck over their sellers. I tried to sell a modem which I had previously purchased through Amazon. The modem came both as a bundle and by itself. I listed it correctly as purchasing the modem only, listed it "like new" (when really it was basically new, not removed from the box). It was actually the lowest price you could get it used. Someone bought it, shipped it to them faster than necessary. Abo…

Exact same thing happens on eBay, at least here in the UK.

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

#83

Some will point out (and some have!) that I could have quite easily saved myself a lot of time, hassle, and lost earnings at this point by just quietly holding on to the extra Switch and saying nothing to Nintendo about it. It certainly would have saved me a lot of stress, but it was morally not something I’d ever consider. That's his mistake right there. He was under no moral obligation to fix Nintendo's mistake for…

Quite often the reason for receiving two items is that the first got stuck somewhere in transit, the customer complained so the company sent out a second item, and eventually both turn up. It seems reasonable under those circumstances for the company to ask for the second one back (politely of course, threatening the customer is never right).

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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I'm hoping this blows up in Nintendo's faces; they forgot to treat and respect their customers as fellow human beings. The writer ought to be compensated for his wasted time thanks to their incompetence.

Thanks, I appreciate your comments today as I've been getting a little worried here that the traction this article is getting this morning is going to come back to bite me in the backside. Whether it's Nintendo or a UK-local entity they sub-contract (it's a bit unclear - either way the address is store.nintendo.co.uk and Nintendo-branded), the policies could use some work.

It's a great post, and Nintendo does indeed owe you.

But, at this point, I do recommend engaging counsel. As I understand it, truth is not a defense against slander under UK law.

Edit: I meant "libel", not "slander". Also, I was wrong about truth not being a defense. It's just that you need to prove the claims.

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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I have never, ever dealt with any above mid-sized company that handles customer service and delivery well. There seems to be a set of standardised industry practices that are completely and utterly customer hostile. The moment regular company employees stop dealing with customer issues, delivery, etc., and hands it over to "specialists", it's basically a crap shoot whether you can get any issue resolved at all, becau…

> what that's potentially worth in terms of wasted effort, lost orders and customer hostility.

I agree with all of the above but wanted to underline this. Because it snowballs so much. First call they explain the problem. Second call they explain how they explained the problem to someone before, how instead they understood X and did Y. Third call... and so on. Add to that long waiting times and it compounds even more.

I did work in customer service and while I loved the people I talked to for the most part, it was really obvious that they were so nice to me because I was simply 100% frank, which was unexpected for them. And it was kinda heartbreaking how many thanked me just for listening, and not deflecting any blame, or just pointing to the EULA or whatever, but treating them like a normal person -- even though I really couldn't fix their problem, just agree that it sucks and wish them a nice day and mean it. I always tried but in many cases there was just nothing I could do except tell them all I know, and how sure I am about it. The bar was so incredibly low. When I offered people to call them back to follow up on a problem, they always were surprised when I actually did. Officially, I would have to ask permission for every outbound call, but I simply decided that that would just make it take even longer in total, so I did that once. I just made sure I was there to solve problems not chit chat, and then did what I considered necessary, not what people who didn't even talk with customers thought might be good. And when calling other departments, I also encountered people who said "you know, officially it would be X, but I think I can fix this", and they did. But it was a total crap shoot, sometimes they just made it worse or said they'd do something end then not do anything.

Once I told a coach that if the bread he eats were made as sloppily as he had suggested to me I should handle a specific problem (that is, hand it off in exactly the same way that happened 3 times before, knowing it would resolve nothing but make it someone else's problem), he would be dead in 3 months. He threw a fit and dragged me to my team leader, who had my back - a month later I hear I have a "solution rate" (some customers were asked after the call to rate friendliness etc. and if their problem was solved) of 66%, twice above the average. You might say I had ignored "orders" because I considered them bad, and my results had proven me correct. It didn't change anything about the process, but it did give me leg room if you will. At the end of the day I did the job the way I did it because I thought, if I'm going to be a drone for shitty pay, at least I want to be able to sleep at night, right? The job simply wasn't worth squirming and lying all day when I could try to make a little difference at least to that one person who had to ask me for assistance after some awfully long waiting period. But it ended up being fun and meaningful I wouldn't have imagined beforehand, and if I had just followed official suggestions and marketing materials, it would have turned out so differently, I would have learned nothing and it would have just been this shitty job I once had.

I don't believe it saves money. Maybe in the short term for the one company or a few execs in it or their shareholders, but in aggregate, it's just a waste. Call centers should simply fulfill some standards for the work and then get paid by the hour, not by call. That's all it would take, people who are in this job would mostly prefer being able to make a good job. During breaks we always used to share stories about customers on some freakish odyssey because of fucking $company. I'm sure there's also people who enjoy what little power they have over helpless callers, but if the incentives were aligned properly, they'd be gone before you can say "welcome to X, my name is Y, how can I help you?" :P

Most complaints I heard from customers, aside long waiting times, unfriendly treatment or outright incompetence, were that they didn't get feedback and had no single point of contact. Like, one person at the company who is assigned with following up on that problem until it's fixed. How would that not be flat out better? It takes 30 seconds to try to reach a customer. Just do that until you reach them, or you see something in their file indicating they called on their own and the issue is solved. Have a mechanism in place for sickness, quitting the job etc, done? Why is that hard? How is the current way better in any shape or form? If I've ever seen anything ripe for disruption, it's call centers. Talk about pain.

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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take your lawyer out to dinner Do normal people actually have lawyers? That they know well enough to hang out socially with?

Honestly I'm now wishing I did have a lawyer, if only to enjoy delicious evening meals with while we laugh at the events of the day. Don't get me wrong, I like my friends, but none of them are lawyers, nor do they work for me - which I imagine would be swell.

Be careful what you wish for. I have one. Go for dinner with them, they would charge you for the time spent eating the delicious dinner, and afterwards they would write you a letter stating the dinner was delicious. Together with a bill for the letter. Plus a surcharge for providing the "laugh at events of the day" service.

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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post #69

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That's because they fuck over their sellers. I tried to sell a modem which I had previously purchased through Amazon. The modem came both as a bundle and by itself. I listed it correctly as purchasing the modem only, listed it "like new" (when really it was basically new, not removed from the box). It was actually the lowest price you could get it used. Someone bought it, shipped it to them faster than necessary. Abo…

Worst seller experience ever. FTFY. You are not the customer, just a seller. You don’t matter. The “Amazon smile” is for customers only.

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Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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post #83

Some will point out (and some have!) that I could have quite easily saved myself a lot of time, hassle, and lost earnings at this point by just quietly holding on to the extra Switch and saying nothing to Nintendo about it. It certainly would have saved me a lot of stress, but it was morally not something I’d ever consider. That's his mistake right there. He was under no moral obligation to fix Nintendo's mistake for…

Quite often the reason for receiving two items is that the first got stuck somewhere in transit, the customer complained so the company sent out a second item, and eventually both turn up. It seems reasonable under those circumstances for the company to ask for the second one back (politely of course, threatening the customer is never right).

I disagree. The company is now imposing on you for something that is absolutely not your responsibility. They have money set aside for losses like this.

It sounds like Nintendo should ask the courier company to fix things, not you. In a way, he is also a victim of the courier company's bad service, except that the mistake was in his favor.

And also, think about what that implies. How far are you supposed to go if they screw up? What if they do it again, with something more valuable?

You can't apply human morality to large corporations. If someone on Etsy or Ebay made a mistake like that, then yes of course you should ship it back. But corporations of that size are just systems. They will not be hurt or offended if you don't return it, and they won't be gracious if you do.

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

#89

Sounds like they're really not used to people actually ordering from their site directly. I can imagine the prices are the suggested retail prices, which no retailer will actually end up charging.

  > can imagine the prices are the suggested retail prices,
  > which no retailer will actually end up charging.
I bought my Switch directly from Nintendo (well, sounds like it's actually via the Hut Group), and paid the RRP with free delivery. I didn't see any mainstream retailer (Amazon, Toys'r'Us, Tesco, etc) charging differently though.

I can't imagine mainstream retailers either price-gouging or discounting, unless a product's reaching its end of life or about to be superceded.

Re: I bought a Switch from Nintendo and they threatened me with legal action

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Back in 2014, https://store.nintendo.co.uk/ was managed by The Hut Group. Not sure whether they also manage shipping, customer support, etc, or just rent out the web site, could be either way. Looking at URLs and everything else, that still seems to be the case. So not sure which company is to be blamed here.

Source: used to work for The Hut Group.

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