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Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by vilmosi »

pnutjam wrote: post #379
smsm42 wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is "position in education"? I notice that's the third person making claims without backing them up or even substantiating them enough to be verifyable ("US school sucks" is not verifyable, "US schools ranked number N according to metric M published by organization O" is). I don't know where these people are educated so not sure whether I can take it as anecdotal evidence to either side... Also protip: "this is n…

The US is also exceptional in how bad its bad schools are, this drags our averages down. While it's a tragedy for the kids who are not being served, it's a distortion to say all US schools are bad when most are not.

That's how averages work unfortunately.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by learc83 »

vilmosi wrote: post #400
learc83 wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Every country has good and bad parts. That's the point of averages. How else would you compare countries? Surely you understand that averages are often misleading and can be worse than useless. The US is the most diverse large country in the world. Averages do not work well when comparing highly varied populations. >And I don't see how population size is important, as you say. There are many smaller countries with b…

>>> Surely you understand that averages are often misleading and can be worse than useless. So why are you complaining in a conversation talking about averages? >>> The US is the most diverse large country in the world. Brazil and India would like a word. Also, irrelevant. >>> Averages do not work well when comparing highly varied populations. That's why you have averages. Again, how else would you compare countries?…

>So why are you complaining in a conversation talking about averages?

You're the one who is using averages. Everyone else here is telling you averages are a misleading metric here when trying to compare the US to other countries.

Averages are not useful for comparing diverse data sets.

The mean tells you a lot about a hypothetical population where everyone has an IQ of 100. It doesn't tell you a lot about a population where half the people have an IQ of 75 and half 125. Using mean scores to compare those populations is nearly useless.

>That's why you have averages. Again, how else would you compare countries?

That's just it, you can't use 1 number to compare countries. It's not meaningless, but it's close.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by vilmosi »

learc83 wrote: post #402
vilmosi wrote: post #400

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>> Surely you understand that averages are often misleading and can be worse than useless. So why are you complaining in a conversation talking about averages? >>> The US is the most diverse large country in the world. Brazil and India would like a word. Also, irrelevant. >>> Averages do not work well when comparing highly varied populations. That's why you have averages. Again, how else would you compare countries?…

>So why are you complaining in a conversation talking about averages? You're the one who is using averages. Everyone else here is telling you averages are a misleading metric here when trying to compare the US to other countries. Averages are not useful for comparing diverse data sets. The mean tells you a lot about a hypothetical population where everyone has an IQ of 100. It doesn't tell you a lot about a populatio…

>>> You're the one who is using averages. Everyone else here is telling you averages are a misleading metric here when trying to compare the US to other countries.

What everyone else. The grandparent literally complained about three people in this thread mentioning a fact without sources about averages. I supplied said source. What are you responding to?

>>> Averages are not useful for comparing diverse data sets.

The US is not particularly diverse in the world. And again, how do you compare "diverse" data sets like kids literally being able to read?

>>> The mean tells you a lot about a hypothetical population where everyone has an IQ of 100. It doesn't tell you a lot about a population where half the people have an IQ of 75 and half 125. Using mean scores to compare those populations is nearly useless.

Right, because we actually have countries where half the population is 125 and half is 75, what can I say. /s

>>> That's just it, you can't use 1 number to compare countries. It's not meaningless, but it's close

Tell that to the OECD.

Why do you care so must about this comparison of averages? Why are you commenting?

I like how you literally don't answer half my replies, makes one think what's the point of this.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by xster »

turkishgetup wrote: post #339
xster wrote: post #325

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Jesus, I didn't know there was such a huge disparity between India and China

The reason is that U.S. Immigration laws only allocate 14% of annual quota to employment-based (EB) petition. The majority go to family-based (FB) petitions. Indian have a much higher EB/FB ratios, whereas Chinese have many more FB petitioners, e.g. cross-ethnicity marriages. Chinese also have one more eligible category than Indians---green card for asylees. Ethnicities/nationalities like Mexicans have negligible ski…

Though to paraphrase what you're saying, if we just forget about all other petition types (sounds like they're not interrelated anyway, at least on the supply side), it still means India has ~10x the amount of EB seekers vs China. That's surprising fact stands on its own.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by learc83 »

vilmosi wrote: post #403
learc83 wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>So why are you complaining in a conversation talking about averages? You're the one who is using averages. Everyone else here is telling you averages are a misleading metric here when trying to compare the US to other countries. Averages are not useful for comparing diverse data sets. The mean tells you a lot about a hypothetical population where everyone has an IQ of 100. It doesn't tell you a lot about a populatio…

>>> You're the one who is using averages. Everyone else here is telling you averages are a misleading metric here when trying to compare the US to other countries. What everyone else. The grandparent literally complained about three people in this thread mentioning a fact without sources about averages. I supplied said source. What are you responding to? >>> Averages are not useful for comparing diverse data sets. Th…

>What everyone else.

Me and the other person who replied to you. "The US is also exceptional in how bad its bad schools are, this drags our averages down. While it's a tragedy for the kids who are not being served, it's a distortion to say all US schools are bad when most are not."

>The US is not particularly diverse in the world.

I'm sorry I can no longer take you seriously.

>And again, how do you compare "diverse" data sets like kids literally being able to read?

An average is nearly useless if you don't know the distribution. Rankings based on averages are meaningless.

>Right, because we actually have countries where half the population is 125 and half is 75, what can I say

How could you think an example that works out with nice easy numbers is supposed to actually represent a real country?

>Why are you commenting?

Because of this

>Oh come on, every study puts the US in a mediocre position in education within the OECD. That's not a debate.

Because it is debatable. Using PISA rankings to say that the US is in a mediocre position in education is very controversial. In addition to using the mean of a set of test scores, they don't take into account the percentage of 15 year olds still in school, or the percentage of 15 year olds who take the test. The US goes WAY up in the ranks when those things are taken into account.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by thr0w__4w4y »

vostok wrote: post #66
majormajor wrote: post #34

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Even established companies not in the obviously-sleazy Tata/Infosys abuse buckets play games here. "Write up job description consisting of specialty skills your H1B candidate already has, but that you don't need in your company in that role, then use them as a generic webdev" type stuff.

I recently saw a job advertisement for a front office role at a major bank that literally included the person's name.

I 100% believe you, but just for entertainment value, assuming the posting was public and recent -- any chance you have a link to the posting that you can share with us? I need a good laugh today.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by smsm42 »

vilmosi wrote: post #401
pnutjam wrote: post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is also exceptional in how bad its bad schools are, this drags our averages down. While it's a tragedy for the kids who are not being served, it's a distortion to say all US schools are bad when most are not.

That's how averages work unfortunately.

Conversation looks like this:

A: X is true.

B: Please provide proof.

A: Here is metric using averaging over large populations.

B: Using averages over large populations is hiding important details about X.

A: How else we could compare large populations?! We must use globals averages!

B: Averages have the effect of very small number of very bad instances distort the result of large population which would have much better results, thus making it appear bad results are much more common than they are actually are. We know specifically this is the case for the question we are discussing.

A: Well, that's how averages work, nothing can be done about it.

Don't you think something is missing here?

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by calvinbhai »

xster wrote: post #404
turkishgetup wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason is that U.S. Immigration laws only allocate 14% of annual quota to employment-based (EB) petition. The majority go to family-based (FB) petitions. Indian have a much higher EB/FB ratios, whereas Chinese have many more FB petitioners, e.g. cross-ethnicity marriages. Chinese also have one more eligible category than Indians---green card for asylees. Ethnicities/nationalities like Mexicans have negligible ski…

Though to paraphrase what you're saying, if we just forget about all other petition types (sounds like they're not interrelated anyway, at least on the supply side), it still means India has ~10x the amount of EB seekers vs China. That's surprising fact stands on its own.

Because I think (not sure) many Chinese grad students are required to go back to China because their govt funded their studies or because they have a tech industry that’s leap frogging in terms of latest tech or have access to EB-5 visa or move to Canada.

Compare that to the number of immigrants from India, most of them use up family’s life savings to study in the US and try to recover from working in US. Unlike students from other countries, who can apply for a green card when they are studying (by getting a willing employer through their connections), can get their work authorization and Green Card itself before their 3 yr OPT expires.

Which means, there’s mostly people from backlogged countries, applying for h1b visas!

That means, there’ll be some %age of applicants who are willing to get treated like slaves by the employer, and these are the employees who have poisoned the basket of apples. And USCIS is looking at the basket very suspiciously.

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by cat199 »

sctb wrote: post #304
cat199 wrote: post #140

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By modern dem logic, JFK would be a facist - nationalistic, america-first policies - socially conservative - womanizing - served in military - against homosexuals - wanted to get rid of the fed - invaded other countries to fight communism

Please don't troll like this here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

responding to OP who said:

" What US Democrats ignore is that practically every damn country in the world does this too, often to a higher degree than the US.

So there's a pragmatic question of how to avoid putting yourself at a disadvantage by being comparatively overgenerous that you don't have to be a "paleoconservative" or Trump supporter, or even Republican, to be concerned about. "

my point is that things have shifted, and is perfectly in line with the parent which has +1 vote and was not considered a 'troll'..

line-of-discusison kthx

Re: USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B applications

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Post by cat199 »

jacquesm wrote: post #152
cat199 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By modern dem logic, JFK would be a facist - nationalistic, america-first policies - socially conservative - womanizing - served in military - against homosexuals - wanted to get rid of the fed - invaded other countries to fight communism

None of those are uniquely fascist, just like breathing isn't. You're missing an 's' there. To make life a bit easier and to focus the discussion here is an easy to digest page on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism If after reading that you still feel that JFK would be a fascist then I don't know what to do next.

way to be pedantic about spelling and miss the point..

I said "By modern dem logic, JFK would be a facist"

now, thankfully corrected to:

"By modern dem logic, JFK would be a fascist"

not that I actually believed him to be a facscist.

glad you caught that 1 letter spelling typo though..

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