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Re: MINIX: Intel's hidden in-chip operating system

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Post by tomxor » Wed, Nov 08, 2017, 1:59 PM UTC

wolfgke wrote: post #92

tomxor wrote: post #64

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Yes, it's complete FUD. It's also moot, because it really doesn't matter much whats in ME, ME just needs to not exist. The primary reason for choosing MINIX is memory footprint and reliability, additionally GNU is never popular for proprietary blobs like this... it would actually harm users with ME's current strategy if you think about it, GNU forces them to publish their likely buggy striped down version of linux, y…

> additionally GNU is never popular for proprietary blobs like this... it would actually harm users with ME's current strategy if you think about it, GNU forces them to publish their likely buggy striped down version of linux I don't know whether Intel ME contains the usual userland tools that are typical for UNIX-like operating systems. But it is well-known that a lot of MINIX 3's userland was taken/ported from NetB…

Yes I am aware this is why Minix has the BSD license throughout. To be clear in-case their is confusion: in the text you quote I am describing the hypothetical scenario where Intel used Linux + GNU userland to build ME.

Re: MINIX: Intel's hidden in-chip operating system

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Post by msla » Wed, Nov 08, 2017, 4:58 PM UTC

harry8 wrote: post #105

msla wrote: post #97

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Moreover, Intel could selectively release patches for only the newer chips, providing an incentive to upgrade. Intel deliberately creating such holes and then only fixing them on more expensive models would be possible as well, but the PR from that one might be distasteful enough to hurt Intel.

So like the way apple security updates gimp the performance of your device? These kind of business practises are Apple's biggest contribution to the computing industry. Didn't invent them but made them absolutely "the norm" and everyone, even hardware manufacturers want to emulate Apple's stunning success. I used to hate Microsoft business practises, Apple are far, far worse the only reason they didn't seem it was be…

Why do you think I would ever defend Apple in any way, shape, or form?

Re: MINIX: Intel's hidden in-chip operating system

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Post by harry8 » Thu, Nov 09, 2017, 12:59 AM UTC

msla wrote: post #112

harry8 wrote: post #105

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So like the way apple security updates gimp the performance of your device? These kind of business practises are Apple's biggest contribution to the computing industry. Didn't invent them but made them absolutely "the norm" and everyone, even hardware manufacturers want to emulate Apple's stunning success. I used to hate Microsoft business practises, Apple are far, far worse the only reason they didn't seem it was be…

Why do you think I would ever defend Apple in any way, shape, or form?

I don't. The comment above is much more general but definitely provoked by your observation. "You" is used in the sense of the somewhat archaic "one". Language imprecision is a thing.

"If Intel copy apple here, can one object to intel doing it but not Apple with a straight face?"