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Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by TaylorGood »

nathancahill wrote: post #12
jrowley wrote: post #9

Just the other morning I got off of bart in downtown Oakland, 12th street and there was a guy just laid out, unresponsive right on the steps outside the station. He had smoked something out of a can. I stuck with the guy while the paramedics came, but the most tragic part was that he had a plastic "No Allergies" bracelet on. When the paramedics took off his shirt he still had adhesive on his skin from the EKG straps…

Yep. My uncle died from an OD earlier this year. Drugs cut with fentanyl. It's truly a terrible epidemic.

Sorry to hear. Partaking in heavy drugs to any degree invites those dark unknowns. The number of hands these drugs pass through to reach the end-user is more than a couple. I recall on average it's 8 different turnovers. Each time, likely being cut down. They operate a margin business without concern for where it ends up. It's likely safe to say that a vast majority of drugs are cut these days.

A friend I grew up with just shot himself to death. He was on a TV show, model and had it all going for him..until the night he tried black tar heroin through a needle, off a spoon. An older friend convinced him and four others to try it one night at a wrap party for the TV show. Grew up affluent but drugs immediately nosedived his life. Ended up in and out of jail, losing it mentally, mental institutions, broke every window at his parents house, just living a really rough existence. The part that got me: the older friend who introduced him to it showed up to his funeral.

The other one of the four is on his third strike for heroin, just got his second DUI trying to "live it up" – drugs i.e. heavy drugs, are a game that you do not win.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

jameskegel wrote: post #50
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I'm trying to have a nuanced conversation on a sensitive topic with an open mind. I get the feeling this is one of the things that no one wants to discuss, or at least it's a bad idea to try to discuss it. Note how violent and immediate the reaction was, right when I tried to point to a segment of people who are the most likely to be in the target segment of the original article. I don't feel like martyring…

Why did you delete your comment? I'm compelled to hold you in a negative light just based on principle that you don't stand behind your own words.

It may be worth examining that tendency. I elected to take the Kolmogorov option: https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=3376

The question of whether or not your arguments have merit won’t even get entered upon, nor will the authority ever be able to repeat back your arguments in a form you’d recognize—for even repeating the arguments correctly could invite accusations of secretly agreeing with them. Instead, the sole subject of interest will be you: who you think you are, what your motivations were to utter something so divisive and hateful.

Suffice to say, it wasn't too smart to even broach the topic. It derailed the conversation, for one. For two, it didn't lead anywhere productive.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by porfirium »

dragontamer wrote: post #37
ransom1538 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like my uncle says, a cop, "what would we do then". Drug & alcohol related arrests are 99% of their work.

Its not a cop's job. Its a social worker's job. I do recognize that cops are just "trying to help", and that no one cares about social workers. Cops are in an advantaged position in the USA because they are relatively well respected by most mainstream members of the population. So the fact that they want to help is good. But Cops aren't given the right training to deal with medical problems or other problems (ie: Fir…

Drug users usually turn violent and can be a hazard to themselves or others. Somebody trained to deal with such situations is required. This is, a cop.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by d23lid238 »

iambateman wrote: post #33

Serious questions...if you’ve used an opioid more than once for recreational purposes, I’d like to hear (1) what prompted you to try it (2) how old you were (3) cost (4) where did you get them (5) why did you stop Treat me like an idiot, I don’t understand this stuff and I’d like to know more. * obviously feel free to use a burner account if you’d rather not speak publicly.

1) I'll try any drug once, all my friends in highschool experimented with a lot of drugs and I enjoyed the shared experiences.

2) It was either senior year of highschool or right after, so around 18

3) Varied, but usually it was $30 for an 8mg dilaudid

4) Everyone I knew had at least one dealer for some drug or other, it was possible to get anything just by asking around

5) Got bored of it

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by [deleted] »

PatientTrades wrote: post #7

Most of this stems from the overprescription of opioids. I remember when I had surgery for a broken leg the amount of drugs I received after the surgery was astounding. It was almost as if the hospital wanted me to become hooked. I didn't need or ask for the opioids, they were just prescribed for pain killing. A regular Tylenol or Advil would have done the job. Not saying hospitals want people on drugs, but at some p…

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Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by Frondo »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #47
spaceseaman wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to be clear for those coming to this after the fact: the reaction was not violent and immediate. Your comment was not nuanced. And it was very much not sensitive. You attempted to claim that such overdoses are in part due to Reddit (and society in general) ostracizing neo-nazis and members of hateful groups. Not only is this just wrong, it implies that many affected by the crisis are members of such groups, whic…

I claimed no such thing. My point was solely "A certain subreddit got banned. Those people seem to have very few options, and maybe they were using it as a support group. They might turn to drugs now." The reaction violent and immediate: within 5 minutes of posting the comment, you're now trying to imply some very strange things about me. You're even going so far as to "clarify" things for readers by posting somethin…

That is not a violent reaction.

"We need to kick you out of the country" is a violent reaction.

"What are you talking about this is dumb" is not a violent reaction.

You shared your ideas, they obviously weren't taken as good ideas by the group here, and people told you so.

No one called for violence against you, no one called you names (as far as I can tell), just no one agreed with you, and maybe a liiiiittle discourteously.

That's not violence, that's discussion.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by giancarlostoro »

mschuster91 wrote: post #3

> Local jails have been overrun with people locked up and in need of treatment Why. Do. People. End. Up. In. Jail. Seriously this one is beyond my comprehension - they need treatment, not jails filled with hardened criminals, rapists and probably more (and nastier) drugs than on the street.

Like that one guy weef or weev, the iPad exploits guy, who went to jail and came back as a white supremecist. Was quite surprised to read that, worse thing is he wasn't in prison like 10 hard years or anything extreme, he was in there a minute though. Oddest thing I ever read.

On the other hand... Norway has some of the nicest prisons in the world. Worth checking out prisons in Norway if you never heard of how nice they are.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by [deleted] »

iambateman wrote: post #33

Serious questions...if you’ve used an opioid more than once for recreational purposes, I’d like to hear (1) what prompted you to try it (2) how old you were (3) cost (4) where did you get them (5) why did you stop Treat me like an idiot, I don’t understand this stuff and I’d like to know more. * obviously feel free to use a burner account if you’d rather not speak publicly.

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Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

Frondo wrote: post #56
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I claimed no such thing. My point was solely "A certain subreddit got banned. Those people seem to have very few options, and maybe they were using it as a support group. They might turn to drugs now." The reaction violent and immediate: within 5 minutes of posting the comment, you're now trying to imply some very strange things about me. You're even going so far as to "clarify" things for readers by posting somethin…

That is not a violent reaction. "We need to kick you out of the country" is a violent reaction. "What are you talking about this is dumb" is not a violent reaction. You shared your ideas, they obviously weren't taken as good ideas by the group here, and people told you so. No one called for violence against you, no one called you names (as far as I can tell), just no one agreed with you , and maybe a liiiiittle disco…

It was violent in the sense of a chemical reaction. It also violently curtailed any chance of intellectual conversation. For that, I regret saying anything.

I'm not upset about mere disagreement. I'm upset that I was searching openly and honestly for an answer to this crisis that affects all of us, and in exchange I was labeled a neonazi sympathizer. On HN of all places.

The conversation shouldn't be about me and my ideas. That's selfish and counterproductive to HN's aims. The goal is to gratify intellectual curiosity, and the subthread I started here is the opposite of that.

HN isn't a place for ideological battle. The fact that two members of the community decided to immediately call out my bullshit suggests that HN wasn't the appropriate venue for this conversation.

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