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Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

spaceseaman wrote: post #38
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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You're implying the opioid epidemic is in part due to Reddit banning subreddits filled with hateful speech?* Or what? You're also making some odd as hell "both sides"-ish argument somewhere in there that I can't even parse. I'm sorry, but we don't have to give spaces for people to be hateful - Reddit banning those assholes was the highlight of my week. I'm not trying to claim that these people should just be ignored,…

I'd appreciate it if you'd remove your comment since I tried to back out immediately from that line of conversation. Would you mind agreeing?

If so, edit your comment to [removed] and I'll delete this one.

Otherwise, I can try to explain my original motives, and what I observed. But it's a tricky conversation to have, and there's a high chance people's tendency to instantly turn to hatred will focus on me. I'd rather pass.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by Frondo »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #41
spaceseaman wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're implying the opioid epidemic is in part due to Reddit banning subreddits filled with hateful speech?* Or what? You're also making some odd as hell "both sides"-ish argument somewhere in there that I can't even parse. I'm sorry, but we don't have to give spaces for people to be hateful - Reddit banning those assholes was the highlight of my week. I'm not trying to claim that these people should just be ignored,…

I'd appreciate it if you'd remove your comment since I tried to back out immediately from that line of conversation. Would you mind agreeing? If so, edit your comment to [removed] and I'll delete this one. Otherwise, I can try to explain my original motives, and what I observed. But it's a tricky conversation to have, and there's a high chance people's tendency to instantly turn to hatred will focus on me. I'd rather…

Calling people out on nonsense isn't hatred.

"Black people are stupid, we need a white ethno-state" is hatred.

"You're wrong and your ideas are wrong" isn't hatred.

Calling people out on bad ideas is a necessary part of the discussion, to weed out bad ideas.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by spaceseaman »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #32
ghrifter wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what the fuck are you on about? wrong thread?

Actually, I'm trying to have a nuanced conversation on a sensitive topic with an open mind. I get the feeling this is one of the things that no one wants to discuss, or at least it's a bad idea to try to discuss it. Note how violent and immediate the reaction was, right when I tried to point to a segment of people who are the most likely to be in the target segment of the original article. I don't feel like martyring…

Just to be clear for those coming to this after the fact: the reaction was not violent and immediate. Your comment was not nuanced. And it was very much not sensitive.

You attempted to claim that such overdoses are in part due to Reddit (and society in general) ostracizing neo-nazis and members of hateful groups. Not only is this just wrong, it implies that many affected by the crisis are members of such groups, which they are not (as someone who has a family member addicted to opioids I'm very annoyed by your comparison).

You just wanted to talk about your Neo-Nazi subreddits getting taken away and people called you out on it. Frankly, a Neo-nazi should be an outcast. A racist, sexist, etc should be excluded. And if they don't like that, then they should stop being a Nazi before turning to drugs.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by twoodfin »

tytytytytytytyt wrote: post #15
ransom1538 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like my uncle says, a cop, "what would we do then". Drug & alcohol related arrests are 99% of their work.

Put them in treatment centers?

Against their will?

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by wott »

tytytytytytytyt wrote: post #15
ransom1538 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like my uncle says, a cop, "what would we do then". Drug & alcohol related arrests are 99% of their work.

Put them in treatment centers?

Whom? The cops?

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by tpm »

dreamdu5t wrote: post #23
mschuster91 wrote: post #3

> Local jails have been overrun with people locked up and in need of treatment Why. Do. People. End. Up. In. Jail. Seriously this one is beyond my comprehension - they need treatment, not jails filled with hardened criminals, rapists and probably more (and nastier) drugs than on the street.

And if a drug addict doesn't want treatment? The elephant in the room is forced intervention requires a form of imprisonment.

Give him (free or cheap) drugs, a safe place to use them, good advices and a way out of his habit. Do not force him.

https://www.thecommononline.org/decriminalization-a-love-sto...

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by sillysaurus3 »

spaceseaman wrote: post #43
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I'm trying to have a nuanced conversation on a sensitive topic with an open mind. I get the feeling this is one of the things that no one wants to discuss, or at least it's a bad idea to try to discuss it. Note how violent and immediate the reaction was, right when I tried to point to a segment of people who are the most likely to be in the target segment of the original article. I don't feel like martyring…

Just to be clear for those coming to this after the fact: the reaction was not violent and immediate. Your comment was not nuanced. And it was very much not sensitive. You attempted to claim that such overdoses are in part due to Reddit (and society in general) ostracizing neo-nazis and members of hateful groups. Not only is this just wrong, it implies that many affected by the crisis are members of such groups, whic…

I claimed no such thing.

My point was solely "A certain subreddit got banned. Those people seem to have very few options, and maybe they were using it as a support group. They might turn to drugs now."

The reaction violent and immediate: within 5 minutes of posting the comment, you're now trying to imply some very strange things about me. You're even going so far as to "clarify" things for readers by posting something I did not say.

I'd like to end this conversation, because HN is optimized for good conversation and this isn't heading anywhere productive. Agreed?

I have a family member affected by a similar crisis, though thankfully not quite as intense. I'm sorry that the comparison annoyed you, but I was just searching for answers.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by jstarfish »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #35
iambateman wrote: post #33

Serious questions...if you’ve used an opioid more than once for recreational purposes, I’d like to hear (1) what prompted you to try it (2) how old you were (3) cost (4) where did you get them (5) why did you stop Treat me like an idiot, I don’t understand this stuff and I’d like to know more. * obviously feel free to use a burner account if you’d rather not speak publicly.

It's mostly people that started medicating for chronic pain.

That's not recreational use.

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by adfm »

PatientTrades wrote: post #7

Most of this stems from the overprescription of opioids. I remember when I had surgery for a broken leg the amount of drugs I received after the surgery was astounding. It was almost as if the hospital wanted me to become hooked. I didn't need or ask for the opioids, they were just prescribed for pain killing. A regular Tylenol or Advil would have done the job. Not saying hospitals want people on drugs, but at some p…

For more background on why we've got a dope problem, check out this LA Times piece on Oxycontin's 12-hour Problem:

http://www.latimes.com/projects/oxycontin-part1/

Re: Nineteen people a week overdose in Richmond, dozens are dying, hundreds revived

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Post by jameskegel »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #32
ghrifter wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what the fuck are you on about? wrong thread?

Actually, I'm trying to have a nuanced conversation on a sensitive topic with an open mind. I get the feeling this is one of the things that no one wants to discuss, or at least it's a bad idea to try to discuss it. Note how violent and immediate the reaction was, right when I tried to point to a segment of people who are the most likely to be in the target segment of the original article. I don't feel like martyring…

Why did you delete your comment? I'm compelled to hold you in a negative light just based on principle that you don't stand behind your own words.
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