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Re: Firefox Quantum

#101

Post by bjz_ »

dingo_bat wrote: post #41
toomanybeersies wrote: post #22

Firefox has definitely been getting better over the past year or two. I've always used Firefox, since Chrome doesn't have the ability to scroll through tabs, they just get smaller and smaller on the tab bar. I've never understood why the feature hasn't been added, it seems pretty minor. Firefox also lazy loads existing tabs on startup. Anyway, for a while, around 2011-2012, Firefox had terrible memory and stability i…

> I'm surprised more tech people don't use it, considering the tech communities love for power and the ability to customise things. I used to be pretty fanatical about Firefox. But when it got so slow that simple scrolling started dropping frames, I had to switch.

Thankfully Quantum is silky smooth (been using it on the Nightlies and now the web developer edition).

Re: Firefox Quantum

#102

Post by marksellers »

eumenides1 wrote: post #99
marksellers wrote: post #6

Maybe these are silly things to complain about with fellow techies, but the things that prevent me from switching to Firefox: The menu bars are enormous even on a compact theme. Bigger than on Chrome. I only have so much vertical space to spare. When opening a new window, the address bar isn't the first thing to receive focus, unlike on Chrome. With Chrome, I just bang out WINKEY + C + H + R + ENTER + part of query +…

Re: vertical space Oh you sweet sweet summer child (i kid) Vertical tabs are the way to go. I use Tree Style Tabs ( https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-ta... ) and there is also Tab center, but the experiment has ended ( https://testpilot.firefox.com/experiments/tab-center/ ). You gain a whole tab height in space and only lose a constant amount of horizontal space. I manage a world where you can…

But I also need the horizontal space! I very often tile windows side by side to allow developing while seeing the results, or while reading documentation.

Maybe I'm just picky. I don't know. Chrome does the job pretty well though, even with the bookmarks bar turned on.

A vertical tabs bar would make it impossible to use many sites, like GitHub.

Re: Firefox Quantum

#103

Post by [deleted] »

thom_nic wrote: post #85
masklinn wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The menu bars are enormous even on a compact theme. Bigger than on Chrome. I only have so much vertical space to spare. This is what I get on OSX, latest Chrome v FDE Compact: https://i.imgur.com/TA62OAN.png

Can you provide a link to that Firefox theme? I searched "FDE Compact" in mozilla themes and couldn't find what you appear to be using.

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Re: Firefox Quantum

#104

Post by BOBOTWINSTON »

gyaru wrote: post #93
nachtigall wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> since Chrome doesn't have the ability to scroll through tabs How can you scroll through tabs? What do you mean by this?

Scrolling the mousewheel while hovering the mouse over the tab bar to switch between tabs I guess?

I have always just used ctrl + pgup/pgdown in Chromium for tab switching (same in Sublime). I am guessing OP is referencing the fixed min-width of the tabs though?

I know it is completely insane, but I have a strong compulsion to keep my tab count low. Once it starts approaching 7 or so, it is time to evaluated which 3 or 4 have to go.

Meanwhile I go look at someone else's monitor and they have 25 open all the time, and I can recognize some haven't been touched in weeks. I just think to myself "Clean up after yourself. How can you live like this?"

Re: Firefox Quantum

#105

Post by Siecje »

dingo_bat wrote: post #41
toomanybeersies wrote: post #22

Firefox has definitely been getting better over the past year or two. I've always used Firefox, since Chrome doesn't have the ability to scroll through tabs, they just get smaller and smaller on the tab bar. I've never understood why the feature hasn't been added, it seems pretty minor. Firefox also lazy loads existing tabs on startup. Anyway, for a while, around 2011-2012, Firefox had terrible memory and stability i…

> I'm surprised more tech people don't use it, considering the tech communities love for power and the ability to customise things. I used to be pretty fanatical about Firefox. But when it got so slow that simple scrolling started dropping frames, I had to switch.

That is because of smooth scrolling. I had to reduce the time for smooth scrolling to complete. I forget the key I modified in about:config.

Re: Firefox Quantum

#106

Post by masklinn »

bzbarsky wrote: post #94
thom_nic wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you provide a link to that Firefox theme? I searched "FDE Compact" in mozilla themes and couldn't find what you appear to be using.

FDE is presumably Firefox Developer Edition. What you get by downloading from https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/developer/ "Compact" is the built-in compact styling. Right-click (or otherwise context-click) on the toolbar, select "Customize.." and near the bottom there is a "Density" selector that you can set to "Compact". Note that this is somewhat independent of the color scheme used. I'm pretty sure that the "…

> FDE is presumably Firefox Developer Edition.

> "Compact" is the built-in compact styling.

Yes and yes

Re: Firefox Quantum

#107

Post by m45t3r »

dzaragozar wrote: post #51

Have a look at the Phoronix benchamrk of Firefox 57. Not really impressive. Still a lot of catching up to chrome. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=firefox-...

The problem with benchmarks is that they don't always represent real world performance.

Where I work sometimes we have really big PRs (+-5000 lines of code). In GitHub diff pages, the scrolling in Chrome is really jerky, while the scrolling in Firefox Quantum is smooth. And for me this is much more important than some random Javascript benchmark.

Re: Firefox Quantum

#108

Post by rufugee »

KozmoNau7 wrote: post #81
rufugee wrote: post #72

What's the security story these days re: Firefox v. Chrome? I switched to Chrome a few years ago (for the most part) because, at the time, Chrome was considered more secure. Has this changed?

Firefox is way (waaaaay) ahead in the privacy stakes.

You mean the security story is better in Firefox? Can you share some context/details?

Re: Firefox Quantum

#109

Post by steveklabnik »

dzaragozar wrote: post #51

Have a look at the Phoronix benchamrk of Firefox 57. Not really impressive. Still a lot of catching up to chrome. https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=firefox-...

One thing that these benchmarks don't capture is user perceived latency. A lot of work went into this for 57, making it feel faster, regardless of what a microbenchmark may pick up.

Of course, work is going into making those numbers better too, but I don't think that this kind of benchmarking tells the whole story.

(Also, these mostly seem to be benching JavaScript performance? That's certainly not the whole story of 57.)

Re: Firefox Quantum

#110

Post by Siecje »

marksellers wrote: post #6

Maybe these are silly things to complain about with fellow techies, but the things that prevent me from switching to Firefox: The menu bars are enormous even on a compact theme. Bigger than on Chrome. I only have so much vertical space to spare. When opening a new window, the address bar isn't the first thing to receive focus, unlike on Chrome. With Chrome, I just bang out WINKEY + C + H + R + ENTER + part of query +…

What is Win + C + H + R? Is that just Win + R?
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