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Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

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Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

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If your accountant was structuring your finances so it appeared your income came from countries other than where you worked, then yes, he should probably be punished.

if something isn't right but is legal, it should be made illegal. you cannot prosecute abuse prior to the change.

Middle-school bullying is legal. Should we criminalize middle-school bullying?

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

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Dear Jacques (i'll stop with the game now ;) - I really emphatise with the social responsibility part of the story. The game Apple is playing with stored cash abroad is abject. Nobody is profiting from that. But we can agree that it's not the nature of a corporation to pay more taxes than necessary? If people offer you crazy deals: agree. Governments should coordinate not to make crazy offers and perhaps even tit-for…

Governments should coordinate not to make crazy offers and perhaps even tit-for-tat those that do. A preferable alternative would be for customers to consider a company's ethics in their purchasing decisions, and to encourage their peers to do the same. If it became socially unacceptable to have a new iPhone because of Apple's choice to pay such a trivial amount of tax (legal or otherwise, that's besides the point) y…

no, they'd have another smear campaign about the governments interference and get the populus to vote to abolish any kind of taxes just for apple. and they'd probably succeed as well, considering how delusional and outspoken apple zealots are.

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

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"Such “tax optimization” – albeit legal – is only possible because specialized law firms such as Appleby devise complex company structures inaccessible to most other firms" Maybe governments should simplify their own tax rules. Then you wouldn't need specialised law firms and simpler tax systems are harder to bypass. To add, there is nothing 'moral' about tax - you have no choice but to pay what you're legally obliga…

The problem is that we have a government body that can be bought and influenced by the private sector. If government powers were limited in scope, there would be no incentives for lobbying.

It's perverted that companies reach a point where it's more profitable to lobby or find ways around laws rather than continuing to spend on production or other business costs.

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

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On thing I wonder about all these proponents for Apple to voluntarily pay more taxes: do they themselves pay more taxes than strictly required of them?

I mean do they not take advantage of that child exemption? Do they not deduce that mortgage? Those medical costs? That college tuition? Those business expenses? Do they decide to voluntarily add at least 1% to their income tax bracket?

Do they practice what they preach?

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

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What annoys me the most is that, as a small company, I can't evade from my country tax system. I pay the taxes. All of them, at full rate. But there are these big companies which can afford to create offshore companies/holding just to evade some tax system, and lower their tax rate. So, what? The tax rate of a country is now "artificial", because it will never be applied to all revenues from all companies, because th…

Same goes for US individuals living abroad not having any business relations or even holdings in the US. Yet they are required to file and pay US taxes in addition to local taxes.

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

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At the core of many of these tax avoidance schemes is wholly owned subsidiaries making intra-group loans that are treated differently in different tax jurisdictions.

Imagne there is subsidiary X & Y in jurisdiction. In jurisdiction A the parent company declares those two subsidiaries should be considered a single entity, in jurisdiction C the parent company declares they should be considered separate.

This allows intra-group loans between those two subsidiaries (and other subsidiaries outside jurisdiction C) to appear and disappear from the accounting as necessary for the purpose of tax avaoidance.

Whilst the declared company structures are perfectly legal in jurisdiction A and C the fact that the parent company has declared different corporate structure for the same entities is deeply suspicious as an activity.

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

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As an Irish citizen, I feel embarrassed by the way we have dealt with Apple (and other behemoth corps). We simultaneously gave these organisations "free parking" and a "get out of jail free card". I don't blame Apple for taking advantage though. I would.

That free parking increased Ireland's economy by nearly six fold in a mere 25 years. It took Ireland from a second tier economy, to a first tier economic power ($300b in GDP with a mere 4.7m people). From sub $15,000 GDP per capita in 1993, to surpassing the US in GDP per capita at $62,000.

You can tell it's the large foreign corporations causing it, because of the big gap between the growth in domestic income and the headline GDP figure. However those companies still employ a lot of people and pay taxes Ireland otherwise wouldn't have.

Huge companies like: Mylan, Alkermes, Medtronic, Allergan, Johnson Controls, Accenture, Intel, Google, Apple, etc. would have likely not set up shop there if not for the tax policies. One can say, in response to that: fine, let them leave, we're better off -- except the Irish economy would get cut in half if you pushed them out by raising corporate taxes significantly, poverty would increase dramatically, unemployment would skyrocket.

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

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Dear Herr Krach, thank you for your letter. I think you misunderstand how business works. Apple is a profit seeking corporation. Profits we make, we hope to distribute to our shareholders. Paying taxes is an obligation with which we comply, both to the letter and in spirit. We meet such obligations, but not nilly-willy. Our shareholders would not look kindly upon executives who pay more taxes than necessary. Avoidanc…

Dear Tim, You don't understand how shares work. Shareholders can only benefit from shares in two ways: through speculation about the share price or through dividends. I'm kind of disappointed that I'd have to explain to a man of your stature that money that Apple parks abroad will not benefit the shareholders except in the most indirect ways. If Apple brought home their overseas funds then it would benefit the US and…

lol. Tim isn't the one with the misunderstanding here.

Re: Paradise Papers: Dear Tim Cook

#90

I don't get why people think paying more taxes is "moral". There are a lot of things the government spends on that I don't agree with...and I'm sure I'm not alone on this.

People usually feel (don't think) that it's moral for OTHERS to pay more taxes. They also feel (don't think) that's moral for themselves to pay less. It's called socialism.
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