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Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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"if a technology like Dopamine can actually encourage retention on apps aimed at self-improvement, that’s an inarguably good thing." No, it absolutely is not. Some of most horrifying abuses in the history of the human race have occurred under the guise of "improving" other people for their own good.

The men and women who write your software control the boundary conditions for your experiences there. They control what and how you can think, feel, and believe in that experience. When Twitter doubles the numbers of characters you can tweet, they're making a decision about the quality and size of thoughts people can express - and in turn what depth of dialogue we have there.

Analogously, when someone designs a diet app, they're creating the boundary conditions of a new behavior pattern for users. Their use of Dopamine aligns well with their end user's goals: in the same way that you hold friends close because you know they rub off on you, so too should we think about our software. Having an app on your phone you chose to let close to your mind and behavior - to be a new venue of your thought and future self - is a decision about who you want to become. And if that app can use good design, a good interface, and persuasive tech to help you achieve your health or diet goals: you win.

That's an alignment of what tech wants and what humans want.

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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Before I even got through the first paragraph I was reminded of B.F. Skinner and his book 'Beyond Freedom and Dignity', which I read in high school. So it's pretty funny that they named their AI after him. Dopamine labs may be evil, but at least they're self aware.

We love that one! Required reading.

His work on why you, me, everyone on this thread, and every species that's part of the subphylum Vertebrata shaped the course of thinking from contemporary Machine Learning techniques like Q-Learning to us!

Not evil, have done our reading though ;)

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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Gee, the founders can't have been happy with that title (different than on HN). What can founders do to avoid being represented in a negative light like this by the press, HN? Try to be the first to frame the conversation? Or is all press good press and it doesn't matter?

They just got a ton of press, reaching the exact markets they want to hit. Their fax machine is probably ringing off the hook right now.

WE HAVE A FAX!!??!?!

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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Hi! Founder (Brown) here. Appreciate the traffic! Also, would love to clear up mob misconceptions about: -Why did we pick lightening-rod branding? -Why was this the most humanitarian use of a neuroscience MS/PhD? -What quality of people must we be to do this? -What is design's ethical imperative that, 100 years ago when most died of infections diseases, that this year the majority of people over 50 will die of strong…

Assuming this is being sold to companies other than strictly self-improvement apps, how can you consider this to be an ethical thing to have created?

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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The same company sells an api to help make your applications as addicting as possible [1] and a service for users to help control their addiction to applications [2]. This organization is disgusting and is evidence enough that our industry has no sense of ethical responsibility. When massive regulation lands on Silicon Valley and we whine about the impact it has on innovation, remember companies like Dopamine Labs wh…

100% agreed on the ethics note. Calling it 'dopamine' is also pretty remorseless. Interestingly, the creators of the like button and pull to refresh, and others, are pushing back against this 'attention economy': https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/oct/05/smartphon...

Paul (author on that piece) is wonderful!

Not so much remorseless, we were just shooting for contrarian and attention grabbing...And here we are....knee deep in front page of HN hate mail...

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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Hi! Founder (Brown) here. Appreciate the traffic! Also, would love to clear up mob misconceptions about: -Why did we pick lightening-rod branding? -Why was this the most humanitarian use of a neuroscience MS/PhD? -What quality of people must we be to do this? -What is design's ethical imperative that, 100 years ago when most died of infections diseases, that this year the majority of people over 50 will die of strong…

So, if you would love to clear up the misconceptions, actually answer all of the questions you listed? The only one you answered is about discounts for your product.

Re: Dopamine: An AI platform for designing human behavior

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Hi! Founder (Brown) here. Appreciate the traffic! Also, would love to clear up mob misconceptions about: -Why did we pick lightening-rod branding? -Why was this the most humanitarian use of a neuroscience MS/PhD? -What quality of people must we be to do this? -What is design's ethical imperative that, 100 years ago when most died of infections diseases, that this year the majority of people over 50 will die of strong…

Assuming this is being sold to companies other than strictly self-improvement apps, how can you consider this to be an ethical thing to have created?

Hi!

Because we don't sell to apps that would hurt people. See manifesto on usedopamine.com/team/index.html.

~100 years ago, the most frequent causes of death in the US were pathogens for which we barely had a name. Pnemonia, Flu, Cholera, Fevers. And it was only after we developed a rigorous technology of the body (modern medicine) did we lift millions of people out of suffering simultaneously.

Today, if you are under 50, you're mostly like going to die of opiates. Over 50? Type-2 diabetes, stroke, cardiovascular disease, obesity and its complications, and stress-related illness.

Every single one of these has strong behavioral components.

Building a smartphone-first, AI-powered rigorous technology of the human mind gives us all an above-the-table, democratized chance at designing scalable technologies that stop this. It spreads better across national, sex, gender, and SES lines than most other behavior-change oriented solutions. And as we enter an age of an excess of cheap energy, food, and data, we NEED a rigorous way to help us better align modern aspirations with an ancient brainstem.

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