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Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by paulbeattie »

spyspy wrote: post #51
paulbeattie wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. I agree they need to focus on quality and performance and be public that they're working to address it. But they also need to focus on adding new functionality to catch up with Android and other flavours of Android. The mobile market is moving a little too quickly for them just to sit still and not move for 2 years.

They've already been sitting on the same physical design for the past 4 years, from the 6 to the 8. I wonder why they waited so long to release a new chassis. The fact that they took so long and when it finally does come, they jack up the prices for what should have been standard annoys me.

IMO and as other outlets have stated I don't think they planned to release the X this year. You can tell a lot of this just by the way the software feels like it has been shoehorned in to work e.g. swipe down from the right for Control Center, swipe down from the left for notifications.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by jpetso »

ghostbust555 wrote: post #52
egypturnash wrote: post #40

> Hitting airplane mode now drops connected bluetooth devices wait, isn't that expected behavior anyway? You're getting on an airplane and turning off all the radios; bluetooth operates via a radio.

Right??? I was very confused how this was considered a bug considering every other device in the world works this way.

But how are you going to listen to music on your wireless Airpods during the long flight, given that you showed courage in abandoning your audio cables? Delightful.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by jakobegger »

markpapadakis wrote: post #21

I use the iPhone 6s. It was responsive, and battery would last at least half the day just fine. Right after the upgrade, batter would last for maybe 1 hour, tops, 30 minutes on average. No minor upgrade fixed the problem, and apparently its a widespread one too. I am getting either the 8+ or the X, but I still think this is ridiculous at best.

Your battery is probably degraded, and no software update will fix it. Lion batteries just don‘t last forever.

You can get a replacement battery for your phone for €25. If you don’t want to do the replacement yourself, any 3rd party repair shop will replace it in 15 minutes. You can also go to an authorized service provider, but that will cost €100 and take much more time.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by gilrain »

archildress wrote: post #43
arprocter wrote: post #3

Another for the list - the new Podcasts app is terrible Edit: it's as if they tried to make the interface less efficient than before - it makes it much more difficult to find subscribed to podcasts you haven't listened to in a while

You've gotta go Pocket Casts. I took the leap and never looked back. It's miles better.

The web client which keeps in sync with the phone clients is so nice. I get home, put the phone in my pocket, and start the podcast I was listening to at exactly the same place it was when I got out of the car. And vice versa, of course.

For a one-time fee service, it's pretty amazing!

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by alekratz »

abrowne wrote: post #41
bherms wrote: post #18

Since installing iOS 11 some things that keep happening: 1) I turn off wifi only to notice internet stuff not working later, only to realize wifi has turned itself back on and connected to a random open network. 2) Almost any time I try to update any app(s), all apps freeze and won't function until I force restart my phone. 3) Random freezes and crashes all the time. 4) Much worse battery life on iPhone 7

(1) is a "feature": https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208086

Wow, so tapping the wi-fi icon only temporarily disables it, rather than doing what (I'd argue) most people expect, which is disabling it until enabled by the user. Oof.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by IdontRememberIt »

kiernanmcgowan wrote: post #35

I keep losing audio controls on my lock screen - not just navigation, even volume. Alarms have also started making no sound in the morning. I've just picked up the habit of restarting my phone before I go to bed at night. I am just shocked that so many existing features got broken in odd ways.

I have the same on the latest ipad pro...

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by bunderbunder »

jpetso wrote: post #62
ghostbust555 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right??? I was very confused how this was considered a bug considering every other device in the world works this way.

But how are you going to listen to music on your wireless Airpods during the long flight, given that you showed courage in abandoning your audio cables? Delightful.

You hit the airplane mode button, and then hit the Bluetooth button to re-enable Bluetooth but not other radios.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by IdontRememberIt »

I think that the root cause of all the issues (hardware + software) are that since Steve's death the "less is more" has been replaced by "more, more, more". The first requires a lot of efforts and leadership. The second is easy and typical in the corporate world lead by managers (away from the final customer and the product but obsessed by internal procedures).

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by remarkEon »

threeseed wrote: post #50

This nonsense again. This has been happening for years. What happened was that Apple switched from Waterfall development to Agile. And what came from this was more regular and frequent releases at the cost of less polished releases. The way it works is Apple releases 11.0 with only P1 issues fixed, then from 11.1 -> 11.6 the focus is on P2 followed by P3 etc. Then a seperate team continues to work on 12.0. 11.1 was j…

I would much prefer to have an iOS update that's ready to go, not one with "only" P1 issues resolved. That sounds like a terrible way to treat your customers. If that's true that they switched to Agile, what advantages did they honestly gain from it aside from swifter releases (if that's even an advantage at all)?

> And none of the bugs you have listed are even all that serious.

If the standard we're now using to critique Apple is now "well these bugs aren't that serious no big deal" the company is in trouble.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Post by gilrain »

jakobegger wrote: post #63
markpapadakis wrote: post #21

I use the iPhone 6s. It was responsive, and battery would last at least half the day just fine. Right after the upgrade, batter would last for maybe 1 hour, tops, 30 minutes on average. No minor upgrade fixed the problem, and apparently its a widespread one too. I am getting either the 8+ or the X, but I still think this is ridiculous at best.

Your battery is probably degraded, and no software update will fix it. Lion batteries just don‘t last forever. You can get a replacement battery for your phone for €25. If you don’t want to do the replacement yourself, any 3rd party repair shop will replace it in 15 minutes. You can also go to an authorized service provider, but that will cost €100 and take much more time.

Batteries do not degrade all at once right after a software update.
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