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Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

#51

They need to hit a panic button inside Apple, and use the time they've bought themselves by introducing 2018's hardware in 2017 (as they claim the X does), and focus 100% on software. I think giving iOS design to Ive was an error, but even if they don't agree with that, they need to focus on software very clearly and very publicly, making iOS 12 a release like the old Snow Leopard MacOS release. Focus on quality and…

I disagree. I agree they need to focus on quality and performance and be public that they're working to address it. But they also need to focus on adding new functionality to catch up with Android and other flavours of Android. The mobile market is moving a little too quickly for them just to sit still and not move for 2 years.

They've already been sitting on the same physical design for the past 4 years, from the 6 to the 8. I wonder why they waited so long to release a new chassis. The fact that they took so long and when it finally does come, they jack up the prices for what should have been standard annoys me.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

#52

> Hitting airplane mode now drops connected bluetooth devices wait, isn't that expected behavior anyway? You're getting on an airplane and turning off all the radios; bluetooth operates via a radio.

Right??? I was very confused how this was considered a bug considering every other device in the world works this way.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

#54

I keep losing audio controls on my lock screen - not just navigation, even volume. Alarms have also started making no sound in the morning. I've just picked up the habit of restarting my phone before I go to bed at night. I am just shocked that so many existing features got broken in odd ways.

I get this too. I thought it was because my phone is older (iphone 6). Since the upgrade my phone has been AWFUL and is beginning to cause more frustration than it's worth.

I also subscribe to Apple Music and it is driving me crazy. Since the upgrade it randomly starts over with my songs in alphabetical order and not on shuffle so even if I'm ok with it I have to touch my phone to shuffle them.

All that worked just fine in before the upgrade. Now if I don't restart the phone frequently it breaks a couple times a week.

My phone is bought and paid for, but when the time comes for a new one if this is still happening I am likely going Android and using google play for music.

I am beyond annoyed with it. I've always used iphones since smart phones came out, but I have nothing against android and if this keeps up I'm gone. At that point I'll keep using Androids until it does something incredibly annoying and causes me to look elsewhere.

Apple is very close to losing a customer for generations of phones to come if they don't figure things out.

Edited to add: also now my song list has random songs grayed out. I haven't taken time to look into it but this was not an issue before I upgraded to 11. The same song will play fine if it naturally gets queued or I search for it, but touch it to play... nope!

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

#55
Every iOS has been a mess since iOS 7 at least, and the reason seems pretty straight-forward: every year there is an expansion in scope while maintaining a strict 1-year development cycle. This necessarily means that the bugs start to pile up (since the main focus is constantly some set of new features, never fully allowing a true stabilization period), and I suppose its reached a point now where they are evident to even the untrained eye, but the writing was on the wall for quite a bit if you ask me. Just take a look:

1. iOS 7: Major overhaul of the UI means the entire system is going to be in flux (to this day UI doesn't feel as polished as iOS 6, whether you prefer that style or not). Either way, the focus was monopolized by remaking every UI widget. Also, Swift announced.

2. iOS 8: Apple Watch year. Major amount of work getting iOS to run on a third platform (iPhone, iPad, Watch). Surely lots of attention drawn away to get the Watch shipped, plus associated iPhone support for the Watch. This was also the year a new screen size was introduced with iPhone 6 Plus (arguably the downscaling shouldn't have affected mainline iOS stability too much, but just to highlight ever increasing support for different stuff). Also, third party keyboards.

3. iOS 9: Support for the latest gimmick "3D Touch" which required every app to add a bunch of (IMO) useless new undiscoverable affordances as well as long overdue major overhaul of iPad features: multitasking, etc.

4. iOS 10: Entire new class of apps for Messages and associated entire new App Store. Basically a mini-OS in Messages. Also, surely while all this is going on iPhone X is being worked on in the background.

5. iOS 11: Another major UI overhaul with tons of old affordances replaced, replacing Touch ID with Face ID, ANOTHER new screen size added with iPhone X.

iOS 1-3 were great because they did LESS. Its easy to forget that for example Apple used to outsource its mapping to Google. Now Apple needs an entire huge team JUST to have all the data it used to simply get access to. iOS used to also be more elegant because it did LESS -- remember, we couldn't even copy-paste before. These things add up, you can't go from supporting 1 device to 3 classes of devices with at least 4 variations on each and doubling the amount of apps you spit out and maintain without something having to give. And it's not just from a QA side either, the very nature of the phone has gotten more confusing: with every year, we've shoved more and more of the desktop's features into the phone, and as it turns out, there was no magic - if you want to be able to do 100 things, you may very well need 100 new code paths and a 100 overloaded hard-to-learn gestures. Maybe there existed an alternative path to the "dream" of a device as simple to use as iPhone 1 that let you do everything a desktop can, but we certainly won't know anytime soon.

Just think about it, you basically get 6 months of iOS N.0-N.6, then a WWDC where iOS N+1.0 Beta is announced, which of course has to entice people with M "new!" features, and the cycle begins again.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

#56
I usually read about the bugs but never experience them. I assume it's because I'm a super light phone user.

This time, using the camera on my SE from the lock screen randomly causes my phone to become un-unlockable and forces me to reset. It's really annoying not knowing which goofy thing my kids do I won't be able to photograph.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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post #39

I would have expected someone working at Apple who should be getting paid a high salary and writing software that is used by millions of people to have huge pride in their work. This means testing what they deliver in isolation and on integrated builds. So either apple staff are under too much pressure that quality control has gone out the window or they have the wrong kind of people. For instance are they missing th…

You must have never worked on a project with more than 10 people on it.

I have worked on a project with hundreds of people on it. But if I take the calculator example where you can’t add numbers together properly because of the animation lag, I doubt that more than one or two developers built that. Someone should have had the pride and passion to test that themselves, raise it and fix it. So either the organisation and culture is very bad at apple or the individuals don’t take enough responsibility. Maybe it’s both.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

#58

I use the iPhone 6s. It was responsive, and battery would last at least half the day just fine. Right after the upgrade, batter would last for maybe 1 hour, tops, 30 minutes on average. No minor upgrade fixed the problem, and apparently its a widespread one too. I am getting either the 8+ or the X, but I still think this is ridiculous at best.

Which version are you on now ?

There were definite performance and battery life issues with 11.0 most of which were fixed with 11.1 and improvements are coming as well with 11.2. For me personally it's on par with iOS 10 for battery life.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

#59

They need to hit a panic button inside Apple, and use the time they've bought themselves by introducing 2018's hardware in 2017 (as they claim the X does), and focus 100% on software. I think giving iOS design to Ive was an error, but even if they don't agree with that, they need to focus on software very clearly and very publicly, making iOS 12 a release like the old Snow Leopard MacOS release. Focus on quality and…

Bringing out the iPhone X and the iPhone 8 at the same time is already a confusing marketing mess and something that never would have happened under Jobs.

Re: Ask HN: Why is iOS 11 such a mess?

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must have never worked on a project with more than 10 people on it.

I have worked on a project with hundreds of people on it. But if I take the calculator example where you can’t add numbers together properly because of the animation lag, I doubt that more than one or two developers built that. Someone should have had the pride and passion to test that themselves, raise it and fix it. So either the organisation and culture is very bad at apple or the individuals don’t take enough res…

> I doubt that more than one or two developers built that

Indeed, and it no doubt passed all the unit tests and was marked as good to ship.

But I suspect what they were lacking was an aggressive, adversarial QA specialist with the mindset of "how would a user break this in daily use".

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