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The GOP Tax Plan Will Destroy Graduate Education

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Re: The GOP Tax Plan Will Destroy Graduate Education

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My alternate headline: GOP Tax Plan will force institutions to alter graduate tuition accounting Tuition waivers are currently used, especially in the science disciplines, to have outside research grant dollars pay for grad-student tuition. If this tax plan passes, tuition waivers would no longer make sense and the dollars from research grants would need to shift. This probably means lower tuition for certain program…

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I think this is a good thing. Graduate education is grossly overpriced, because institutions know the government will help pickup the tab.

I don't follow your line of thought. How is the government picking up the tab? The government isn't making any payment back to the institution.

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So the plan is... >> Under the new GOP tax plan, however, those tuition waivers would be taxed as regular income... Sensationalist headlines aside... Why is this being targeted in the new tax plan? Usually I can find something with a quote from someone that explains.

From my brief assessment, it seems like tuition waivers are a form of barter. Other forms of bartering are taxable, so they're eliminating this exception.

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Destroy is certainly too strong of a word to use. This tax plan would likely mean more student loan debt. That's also bad - but it isn't going to destroy graduate education.

If I can't make rent doing this, I am unlikely to keep at it.

PhD programs already have insane attrition rates. Not difficult to imagine that any factor that makes it even slightly more untenable than it already is could have a big impact.

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I think this is a good thing. Graduate education is grossly overpriced, because institutions know the government will help pickup the tab.

I don't follow your line of thought. How is the government picking up the tab? The government isn't making any payment back to the institution.

My understanding is that universities jack up the tuition knowing the students can get government subsidized loans and grants. Then they give tuition waivers to those who cant because the prices are jacked up and getting something from them is better than nothing.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't follow your line of thought. How is the government picking up the tab? The government isn't making any payment back to the institution.

My understanding is that universities jack up the tuition knowing the students can get government subsidized loans and grants. Then they give tuition waivers to those who cant because the prices are jacked up and getting something from them is better than nothing.

But these students aren't getting loans - they're having their tuition waived. Now the government wants to tax the amount waived as income. If anything, graduate students will now be forced to get loans in order to pay their taxes - which is absurd.

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I think this is a good thing. Graduate education is grossly overpriced, because institutions know the government will help pickup the tab.

I was going to post a single comment of "Good!" But knew I'd just get down voted for it... so here I just did..

But I share the same sentiments

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So the plan is... >> Under the new GOP tax plan, however, those tuition waivers would be taxed as regular income... Sensationalist headlines aside... Why is this being targeted in the new tax plan? Usually I can find something with a quote from someone that explains.

From my brief assessment, it seems like tuition waivers are a form of barter. Other forms of bartering are taxable, so they're eliminating this exception.

As for bartering being taxable, I wonder how employee-only discounts at retail establishments work? Is the discount amount taxable (or should it be taxable)? From my understanding of research tuition waivers, the PhD student is working for the university, and as an employee is getting a steep discount on the product (education) they normally sell.

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The misinformation in this thread is astounding. This is targeting graduate student tuition waivers: waivers given to students who are usually also receiving a stipend, who are almost never taking out loans to manage degree costs. It's likely that there is a better way for universities to quantify the net movement of money between student and institution, but to have lowly-paid graduate students bear the brunt of the change is unconscionable.

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I don't understand this. During my PhD my "scholarship" was just basically the university choosing not to charge me money. It's not as though I sat down and set on fire $20k worth of paper every year. So now they have to pay tax on to the amount they would have otherwise charged me? Isn't that kind of a hypothetical concept? Like, can't they say, "Oh the tuition for the civil engineering PhD program is now zero"? Virtually no one in my program had ever paid tuition before.

Maybe what they could do is claim we are first and foremost employees and that the PhD is a certificate of on-the-job training. Presumably they are not going to charge Facebook for the training courses they give their employees.

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