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Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Post by clairity »

IvyMike wrote: post #17

If I were the LA Times, every Disney movie review would be replaced by text saying "Disney has blacklisted us from early screenings as a retaliation for an article we published on them. When our reviewer has a chance to attend a normal screening we will place the review here, until then, please enjoy this reprint of the original article".

larry mantle on airtalk is actually talking about the LA times & disney conflict right now: https://www.scpr.org/programs/airtalk/

they also talked about the blacklisting on friday as well on filmweek: http://www.scpr.org/programs/filmweek/

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Post by munk-a »

IvyMike wrote: post #17

If I were the LA Times, every Disney movie review would be replaced by text saying "Disney has blacklisted us from early screenings as a retaliation for an article we published on them. When our reviewer has a chance to attend a normal screening we will place the review here, until then, please enjoy this reprint of the original article".

I would also urge the LA Times to consider submitting 1 star reviews to various review aggregators (metacritic/rotten tomatoes) due to being unable to view early screenings. I think the critic industry should stand up to this sort of strong arming.

It'd be fitting if the stink of this move clung to their creative productions.

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Post by colemannugent »

JPKab wrote: post #144
sgift wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I risk to devolve this into a flame war, but I think it would be a good idea to wait what Muellers investigation finds with regard to influences on the presidential election, so money spend by third parties to help get someone elected can be attributed to the corresponding campaign.

No flame war here, but as someone who has friends and family in Appalachia and middle America who voted for Trump, I tire of the "Trump won, and we didn't foresee it, so it must have been Russia tricking stupid, dumb rednecks into voting for him" narrative. I dislike it because if Hillary had won, nobody would be looking into this at all. They would simply accept that in a free republic, policing what people hear is…

As someone who also has friends and family in middle America I honestly believe that the best way to ensure that Trump gets re-elected again in 2020 is maintaining the "only redneck bigots voted for Trump" argument.

Roughly half of Americans voted for Trump, to insinuate that they are all bigots is to insult half of the country. Obviously most of the bigots voted for Trump, but they are still a very small minority. To win the next election Democrats need to convince Trump voters to switch sides by demonstrating that they care about middle America, which is 95% of what Trump's campaign was.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Post by 0xfeba »

JPKab wrote: post #144
sgift wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I risk to devolve this into a flame war, but I think it would be a good idea to wait what Muellers investigation finds with regard to influences on the presidential election, so money spend by third parties to help get someone elected can be attributed to the corresponding campaign.

No flame war here, but as someone who has friends and family in Appalachia and middle America who voted for Trump, I tire of the "Trump won, and we didn't foresee it, so it must have been Russia tricking stupid, dumb rednecks into voting for him" narrative. I dislike it because if Hillary had won, nobody would be looking into this at all. They would simply accept that in a free republic, policing what people hear is…

> "Trump won, and we didn't foresee it, so it must have been Russia tricking stupid, dumb rednecks into voting for him"

I disagree that is what the narrative is. I agree, though, that it's not likely any significant number of people (if any) switched votes.

To me, the narrative is that Russia was, and is, sowing discord into politics. They are just trying to incite more civil strife and divide us more. And that is what seems to be working.

The recently publicized ads, for example, all just reinforce right and left-leaning stereotypes. They don't try to get anyone sitting on the fence.

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Post by bodono »

JPKab wrote: post #144
sgift wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I risk to devolve this into a flame war, but I think it would be a good idea to wait what Muellers investigation finds with regard to influences on the presidential election, so money spend by third parties to help get someone elected can be attributed to the corresponding campaign.

No flame war here, but as someone who has friends and family in Appalachia and middle America who voted for Trump, I tire of the "Trump won, and we didn't foresee it, so it must have been Russia tricking stupid, dumb rednecks into voting for him" narrative. I dislike it because if Hillary had won, nobody would be looking into this at all. They would simply accept that in a free republic, policing what people hear is…

Unbelievably Trump even won overall with white women, he got 53% of that vote.

Source: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/20/14061660/w...

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Post by SauciestGNU »

praneshp wrote: post #130
notyourday wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hollywood still defends Polanski. Hollywood still attacks RMG. Hollywood still defends Ben Afflec. Hollywood still has not kicked Tarantino/Clooney/Matt Daemon out for covering it up. Netflix/Amazon/HBO still has not dropped everything that Harvey the Stain makes money off from its catalogs. House of Cards has been canceled but not pulled. It is simply posturing.

> Netflix/Amazon/HBO still has not dropped everything that Harvey the Stain makes money off from its catalogs. For what? Hasn't being fired from his company, etc, stopped Harvey the Stain from making money anyway? If not, make that happen. It's stupid to drop all movies he produced; I'd probably cancel Netflix if they did that.

Additionally, what's to gain by making art unavailable to the public? Many of the things these people produced are very high quality artistically. Polanski is responsible for Chinatown for instance.

Limiting the reach of these works ould not be a good thing for society. What we need is a mass critical reevaluation to help us better understand these works in the context of these monstrous artists/producers.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Post by bovermyer »

hammock wrote: post #93

Seems like everyone is using the comments to throw shade on Disney, but I'd like to praise the LA Times for publishing good reporting under pressure not to. Despite not technically being an independent paper (Are there any anymore?) I have long admired the LA Times as one of, if not the only, US paper left that does what seems like independent journalism and is not afraid to call out stories everyone else is ignoring…

The Minneapolis Star Tribune has a single owner, Glenn Taylor.

Source: I work for the Star Tribune.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Post by Jtsummers »

munk-a wrote: post #162
IvyMike wrote: post #17

If I were the LA Times, every Disney movie review would be replaced by text saying "Disney has blacklisted us from early screenings as a retaliation for an article we published on them. When our reviewer has a chance to attend a normal screening we will place the review here, until then, please enjoy this reprint of the original article".

I would also urge the LA Times to consider submitting 1 star reviews to various review aggregators (metacritic/rotten tomatoes) due to being unable to view early screenings. I think the critic industry should stand up to this sort of strong arming. It'd be fitting if the stink of this move clung to their creative productions.

That would muddy the waters. A review of any sort of something they haven't seen due to Disney's behavior would be unnecessarily vindictive. It would also far more negatively impact the people involved in the movie (outside corporate Disney) than necessary.

Point out why there isn't a review the opening day, with a reference to the original article and Disney's dispute. And then post a real review (or don't bother reviewing at all) once they can see it. That is far more responsible and professional.

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Post by hsod »

JPKab wrote: post #144
sgift wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I risk to devolve this into a flame war, but I think it would be a good idea to wait what Muellers investigation finds with regard to influences on the presidential election, so money spend by third parties to help get someone elected can be attributed to the corresponding campaign.

No flame war here, but as someone who has friends and family in Appalachia and middle America who voted for Trump, I tire of the "Trump won, and we didn't foresee it, so it must have been Russia tricking stupid, dumb rednecks into voting for him" narrative. I dislike it because if Hillary had won, nobody would be looking into this at all. They would simply accept that in a free republic, policing what people hear is…

> "Trump won, and we didn't foresee it, so it must have been Russia tricking stupid, dumb rednecks into voting for him"

strawman.

Some other theories about why black turnout was low this election:

Voter suppression: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/10/voter-suppressio...

Russian-funded fake social media activism specifically targeted at black people: https://www.npr.org/2017/10/20/559113232/russian-operatives-...

https://thinkprogress.org/black-matters-us-site-90625b18f262...

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Post by craftyguy »

colemannugent wrote: post #163
JPKab wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No flame war here, but as someone who has friends and family in Appalachia and middle America who voted for Trump, I tire of the "Trump won, and we didn't foresee it, so it must have been Russia tricking stupid, dumb rednecks into voting for him" narrative. I dislike it because if Hillary had won, nobody would be looking into this at all. They would simply accept that in a free republic, policing what people hear is…

As someone who also has friends and family in middle America I honestly believe that the best way to ensure that Trump gets re-elected again in 2020 is maintaining the "only redneck bigots voted for Trump" argument. Roughly half of Americans voted for Trump, to insinuate that they are all bigots is to insult half of the country. Obviously most of the bigots voted for Trump, but they are still a very small minority. T…

Considering that over half the country chose to field these two terrible candidates in the election, I'm perfectly fine with insulting half of the country.
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