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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone learnt to love art?

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I don't feel much emotion when viewing art, but I'm a huge art lover. Go to a museum and take a guided tour where they talk about the artists. You should start to feel intellectual curiosity at the very least.

Best advice I can give to people who "don't get art" is to go to a museum and get lost for a while.

Second best advice I can give is to not try to "figure art out". Don't try to assign deep meaning to a piece that you think should have it. Yes, lots of art works on multiple levels - in concept and in execution - but none of that matters if you can't connect with art in the first place.

Personally, the first time I ever saw a Mark Rothko painting in person create a seismic shift in my understanding of art and more specifically painting.

To me, viewing art is like listening to music you really love. You will know immediately if you enjoy the piece, and will learn to appreciate it more and more every time you look at (or listen to) it.

People get too hung up on the "meaning" of art. What is the "meaning" of your favorite song? My guess is that your connection to your favorite song is rooted in familiarity, nostalgia, or pure enjoyment, and not in the literal meaning of the lyrics (although that is entirely possible!).

Go and see art in person. Looking at it through a computer screen is bad for you and bad for artists. Go to local gallery openings, museums, or art studios.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone learnt to love art?

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Art is a lot more than the visuals you see or the acting for example. Maybe it helps you to know, that any "artwork" gives you a clear view into the point of time, when it was created. If you understand this, you can better grasp what the artist wants carry over with his work, why the artist has done this and how this art influenced other artist's and society.

Just two examples to make it clear:

High Art vs Low Art (kitsch):

https://www.documenta.de/en/retrospective/documenta_5

Going new Ways and influence Art (kurt schwitters):

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/features...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Schwitters#Influences

And two Sites, that can give you a good sart:

http://onlinekurs.staedelmuseum.de/en/

https://www.moma.org/learn/moma_learning

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone learnt to love art?

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I happen to think that a lot of people don't feel "emotions" when "viewing art" because the art that's obviously available is either totally irrelevant to your life (e.g. bourgeois portraits of rich people from the 1600s, vivid scenes from places you've never been, full of religious symbolism) or totally alienated in the special contemporary way (performance art, most of the random crap made by self-absorbed young artists, etc).

There's also a thick nearly opaque wall of posturing involved, so that talking about art is often an anxious display of cultural capital.

Learning to love art, like learning to love wine, is heavily tied up with class and the attempt to "understand" the acquired tastes of the upper middle class.

Staring at paintings in exhibition rooms or museums is also a very unnatural thing for a human being to do. Great art from the past wasn't made to be "exhibited" like that, it was usually part of a context, from which it was later extracted, or literally stolen.

You can think of a painting in terms of "how would this subtle affect my mood if I hung it on the east wall of my living room?" That's a function of art, too, and probably a more authentic and real one. A lot of art was made to hang in churches for inspiration, so if you're inspired by religion, that's a whole thing.

Maybe you'd like to try going to a museum of history and viewing some ancient everyday tools, coins, and jewelry. Those are things that were carried around by people or kept in their homes, and people wouldn't usually stand around staring at them and admiring them, so you're not experiencing them as they did, and there's no need to feel "emotion" in any romantic or dramatic sense... but those artifacts are still very interesting, beautiful, and provoking the imagination.

You can also be interested in paintings in this way. Go to an art museum, find a painting that seems interesting in some way, not necessarily because it overwhelms you with feelings, but maybe just because it seems odd, strange, or curious... Or you just don't understand it.

Then you can realize that a single painting, because it contains so much information in the whole tapestry of its context and history, is like a portal into another world that you can explore, if you want to... and that's kind of amazing.

I think the idea of a painting as a radiant artifact that makes people swoon with awe is pretty strange, and possibly only applies to people with a certain abnormal genetic kind of synaesthesia.

Van Gogh painted a lot of scenes from nature, because he loved nature, and walked a lot in the countryside. What I think is amazing about Van Gogh is that he paints those scenes not just as "beautiful" in a simple sense, but sometimes in a way that makes the landscape looks lonely, sad, or even distorted in a strangely vivid and almost scary way.

I doubt Van Gogh himself would say that his paintings "lived up" to the lived experience of being in the countryside during a sunset, say. But they mirror it in an interesting way, and having seen those paintings, one can see the countryside in a somewhat different way, or with more complex resonances.

His letters are fascinating to read. Some quotes:

“What I want to express, in both figure and landscape, isn’t anything sentimental or melancholy, but deep anguish. In short, I want to get to the point where people say of my work: that man feels deeply, that man feels keenly.”

“Many a worker in a factory or shop has had a strange, beautiful and pious youth. But city life sometimes removes ‘the early dew of the morning.’ Even so, the longing for ‘the old, old story’ remains. What is at the bottom of the heart stays at the bottom of the heart.”

“What am I in the eyes of most people – a nonentity or an eccentric or an obnoxious person – someone who has no position in society and never will have, in short the lowest of the low. Well, then – even if that were all absolutely true, I should one day like to show by my work what there is in the heart of such an eccentric, such a nobody.”

He's a very different person from me, but I found his paintings strangely interesting, and after reading the letters I find his whole life fascinating, and that gives me a bit of an entrance into being interested in the whole scene of the Impressionists in Paris where his style changed so interestingly, but also the "old Dutch masters" that he was emulating at first, like who were those people, what was going on there, what were they trying to show...

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone learnt to love art?

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There's a museum in Florence that I went to where you could see many statues in various states of completion. It was fantastically beautiful. They were clearly not complete works, Michelangelo had intended to do more. But for whatever reason they never were finished. Despite their state of incompleteness, you could see the craftsmanship involved in getting them to their current state. But you could also see beauty in this unfinished state, as if the men (predominantly) of stone were climbing out of the rocks themselves.

Show someone an image of the Statue of David and it's not that interesting. But see it in person. The immenseness of it. The detail that went into it. See these other statues nearby, like stone timelapse photos. The whole thing is quite fascinating (intellectually) and can be quite emotionally moving (not in the sense that it brought me to tears, but more of an awestruck feeling seeing this work).

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone learnt to love art?

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There's a museum in Florence that I went to where you could see many statues in various states of completion. It was fantastically beautiful. They were clearly not complete works, Michelangelo had intended to do more. But for whatever reason they never were finished. Despite their state of incompleteness, you could see the craftsmanship involved in getting them to their current state. But you could also see beauty in…

I was just there recently and there are rooms off to the side of the David which had so many sculptures. I remember it vividly because they all had these black markings sticking out of them in symmetrical places all over the faces and bodies. Is this what you're speaking of? I can't remember seeing the works in progress, as you mention.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone learnt to love art?

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art can take any form, from poking the viewer to challenge misconceptions and beliefs to anything else. it can be a series of photos of you dropping something sacred and valuable or just a really well done drawing that tool a lot of time and skill.

art is also like music, if there is ANY music you like, then there is an ART you will like.

last. don't feel weird not getting or liking art. you are coming at it from wrong angle.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone learnt to love art?

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post #16

There's a museum in Florence that I went to where you could see many statues in various states of completion. It was fantastically beautiful. They were clearly not complete works, Michelangelo had intended to do more. But for whatever reason they never were finished. Despite their state of incompleteness, you could see the craftsmanship involved in getting them to their current state. But you could also see beauty in…

I was just there recently and there are rooms off to the side of the David which had so many sculptures. I remember it vividly because they all had these black markings sticking out of them in symmetrical places all over the faces and bodies. Is this what you're speaking of? I can't remember seeing the works in progress, as you mention.

I thought it was at that museum, perhaps it was another. The statues were clearly incomplete. The arms and legs were often still just a block of stone, uncarved. I'll dig through my photos later to see if it was a different location.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone learnt to love art?

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You might just not have seen good art. Like someone who has tasted only dark chocolate might summarize that they simply "don't like chocolate". I find that good art is actually a way of crystallizing and capturing emotions of a period of time. Many of those emotions don't resonate with us as they were in some period of history unfamiliar with us. Music tends to capture emotions much better. There's the anger in Emine…

Good point. What are your interests eelliot? May sound strange but I absolutely love looking at video game concept art.

I'm not sure if it's my 'interest' but the art that seems to interest me most is that with some kind of stated science/anatomy/geometry/clean lined architecture

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone learnt to love art?

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post #14

I happen to think that a lot of people don't feel "emotions" when "viewing art" because the art that's obviously available is either totally irrelevant to your life (e.g. bourgeois portraits of rich people from the 1600s, vivid scenes from places you've never been, full of religious symbolism) or totally alienated in the special contemporary way (performance art, most of the random crap made by self-absorbed young ar…

Hey mbrock,

Thanks for your great reply. I think I might read about Van Gogh and try to understand him now. I saw some of his paintings at the MET, my girlfriend was blown away but I was pretty meh at the time. Perhaps I can understand more from his words

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