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Post by cvwright »

JPKab wrote: post #144
sgift wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I risk to devolve this into a flame war, but I think it would be a good idea to wait what Muellers investigation finds with regard to influences on the presidential election, so money spend by third parties to help get someone elected can be attributed to the corresponding campaign.

No flame war here, but as someone who has friends and family in Appalachia and middle America who voted for Trump, I tire of the "Trump won, and we didn't foresee it, so it must have been Russia tricking stupid, dumb rednecks into voting for him" narrative. I dislike it because if Hillary had won, nobody would be looking into this at all. They would simply accept that in a free republic, policing what people hear is…

> Trump didn't magically get votes that Romney didn't. Instead, the data shows that Hillary didn't get black voters to turnout in the numbers that Obama did.

It was even worse than that (for HRC and the Dems). Did she even visit Wisconsin during the campaign?

Also there are reports that Trump received a higher fraction of the black vote than Romney got.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

JPKab wrote: post #144
sgift wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I risk to devolve this into a flame war, but I think it would be a good idea to wait what Muellers investigation finds with regard to influences on the presidential election, so money spend by third parties to help get someone elected can be attributed to the corresponding campaign.

No flame war here, but as someone who has friends and family in Appalachia and middle America who voted for Trump, I tire of the "Trump won, and we didn't foresee it, so it must have been Russia tricking stupid, dumb rednecks into voting for him" narrative. I dislike it because if Hillary had won, nobody would be looking into this at all. They would simply accept that in a free republic, policing what people hear is…

> Instead, the data shows that Hillary didn't get black voters to turnout in the numbers that Obama did.

It also shows voter suppression by Republicans hurt Democratic turnout in critical states (Wisconsin).

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Post by kelukelugames »

csours wrote: post #134
s73ver_ wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does that count the amount of free press Trump received during the campaign?

I agree this is a legitimate question. How much would this add up to in 'in-kind' contributions? Have any media companies claimed in-kind contributions to the Trump Campaign or Trump Organization?

Wasn't there an internal Apple document about the importance of free promotions its products receive in movies and shows?

Found a quick link from google.

http://www.businessinsider.com/apples-biggest-marketing-secr...

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Post by kelukelugames »

LastZactionHero wrote: post #126
kelukelugames wrote: post #39

Aren't all video game review sites like this? All AAA games get inflated scores to not offend the studios.

Kotaku was blacklisted by Bethesda for reporting on Fallout 4 before it was revealed. https://kotaku.com/a-price-of-games-journalism-1743526293 Not exactly local government corrupted by a major corporation here, but yeah studios blacklist for reports they don't like.

Isn't violating embargo different? I thought most reviewers agree to that explicitly.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Post by heartbreak »

Alex3917 wrote: post #140
heartbreak wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually Rosneft is alleged to have given 19.5% of its shares in exchange for reducing sanctions against Russia. And by alleged I mean that's what the Steele dossier alleges [0], and 19.5% of Rosneft was sold to a yet to be named buyer in November of last year [1]. That's billions of dollars that a Russian company allegedly spent on the election. [0] http://www.businessinsider.com/carter-page-trump-russia-igor... [1]…

Unless they sold that equity and used the money to buy ads, that's not really relevant. The allegations about Trump's digital team being mainly a money laundering operation would potentially be more impactful, but if proven true it would ironically cast doubt on whether they were designed to GOTV.

Relevant in what way? You were discussing alleged spend by Russian companies interfering with the election. You didn't specify that the spend specifically needed to be on mass media.

Paying for campaign staff, ad buys, etc. with dark money isn't a new thing. I don't see why that'd be out of the realm of possibility for the Trump campaign when "normal" campaigns get caught spending dark money.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Post by kevinh »

inestyne wrote: post #132
tclancy wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Seems like the system is working just fine here. They gifted a parking garage/ 1 billion dollars of tax-payer funds to a multinational corporation who was hardly going to pull up stakes and move one of their flagship parks. How is this working fine?

If you live in that town and work for Disney you probably think it's working just fine.

From the article:

> Chris Shively, an Anaheim resident and server at Blue Bayou restaurant in Disneyland, drives by the Mickey & Friends garage each day knowing that city tax dollars are paying for the facility.

> “It’s a company — they have their own best interests,” he said. “But it is definitely something where the company, Disney, got a great deal — a deal that we are paying for. Absolutely frustrating.”

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Post by L_Rahman »

r00fus wrote: post #116
michaelt wrote: post #40

This is similar to the tactic used by Harvey Weinstein to discourage newspapers from reporting on rape allegations against him. Journalists that participated in the cover-up got access to his film premieres, parties at award ceremonies, interviews with celebrities and so on. Turns out that was enough to get every entertainment journalist to cover up his crimes for years. Apparently people in Hollywood don't see any p…

It's also the tactic used by the Bush administration to deal with negative reporting... limit their access to white house pressers and the President. Probably something done a lot in politics.

At a lower level, this is the game everyone who participates in "access journalism" is playing. Journalists and publications build relationships with sources and report stories keeping one eye on the writing/impact/truthfulness and another on the long term relationship with the sources.

That's the implied norm of institution (business/government) relationships with the media - we maintain relationships, you write about us and some stories will be critique us so we'll soft cut your access off for a little bit but not explicitly and then we'll let you in again.

An example would the one you yourself made. Journalists join the White House press corps, and over time get access to various West Wing staffers to write stores.

(if you're wondering whether this mechanism contributes to status quo bias and protection of established interests you're headed in the right direction :) )

Access journalism is distinct from investigative journalism which is what we're seeing here. Investigative journalism assumes journalistic independence and a more adversarial relationship with the institution being documented. What we hope to see after an expose like this is the institution coming to terms with its behavior and in response to public outcry, tempering the things that were revealed.

The problem of course is that institutional power in the United States, especially that of large corporations, is so large that they respond to this kind of journalism with aggression.

I don't know whether Disney will suffer for making that choice, but I hope that they do.

Re: LA Times barred from Disney movies after report on corporate welfare

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Post by tomjakubowski »

inestyne wrote: post #132
tclancy wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Seems like the system is working just fine here. They gifted a parking garage/ 1 billion dollars of tax-payer funds to a multinational corporation who was hardly going to pull up stakes and move one of their flagship parks. How is this working fine?

If you live in that town and work for Disney you probably think it's working just fine.

Anaheim's population is roughly 350k. Disneyland has 22k employees. Obviously, not all of them live in Anaheim; anecdotally, at one time I knew a handful of Disneyland employees and only one of them lived in the city.

I'm sure Disney corporate, headquartered in nearish-by Burbank, employs some Anaheim residents too, but you're still talking about a small minority of Anaheim's citizens.

It's also not clear why an ordinary Anaheim citizen and employee of Disney would be happy with this arrangement.

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Post by praneshp »

notyourday wrote: post #141
praneshp wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Netflix/Amazon/HBO still has not dropped everything that Harvey the Stain makes money off from its catalogs. For what? Hasn't being fired from his company, etc, stopped Harvey the Stain from making money anyway? If not, make that happen. It's stupid to drop all movies he produced; I'd probably cancel Netflix if they did that.

Because if the solution is to punish a person not an entity that protected that person then nothing would change. Also, he operated as an officer of the company.

Sure, but Netflix/you/me are not the authorities that get to "punish".
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