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Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983

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Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983

#101

No? Getting on a BBS in 1983 at 300 baud means text files "downloaded" at the same speed you can read. Word processors were crazy painful to use, and incredibly slow. A text editor was just a line-by-line replacement. My TRS-80 would slow to a crawl even making the most basic (ha!) of programs. Over the years, I've often thought about why computers never seem to get faster - mostly it is because people have a toleran…

Given the whole article is about how some people do care your dismissive comment is as pointless as it is incorrect.

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983

#102
Ehhh?

* I remember spending hours, sitting on my new 2GB hard drive, formatting it to FAT32. Or defragmenting every week... because that disk format was rather subpar compared to modern file systems.

* I remember the 10+ Floppy Disks that needed to be manually swapped in and out to install... something. I think Microsoft Word. Or maybe it was Windows. In any case, Floppies were slow as all heck, and when CDs came out everyone was amazed by their speed.

* I remember being able to "see" the flood fill algorithm in "Paint" applications line-by-line fill up regions. Computers didn't have the memory to fill up those regions in one pass back then and had to resort to slower algorithms.

* I remember waiting multiple minutes to download a 5MB file in the 90s. 56kbps downloads 5MB in 11 minutes, for example. Even small pictures were unreasonable to distribute on the internet, let alone audio or movies. Flash was popular because a lot of it was rendered vector art and could fit into the ~3MB or 4MB size needed to be practical.

* I remember the dial-up sound. It took multiple minutes to CONNECT to the internet, and you couldn't use your phone while you were on the internet. To check your email took at least 5 minutes before you saw your first email. ~2 minutes dialing in, a few more minutes downloading the emails, and then finally you could begin reading them

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Seriously, did the author here ever use 90s technology? I remember searching through 3 CDs worth of information to write reports in the 90s.

Yes, CD-rom based encyclopedias. You'd juggle CD-roms constantly to do things that are as simple as "Wikipedia" or "Google" today.

We are way, way wayyyyy faster than the 90s. I can imagine that one would be jaded by the past, but... speed? Nah man, we're way faster today than back then. Its not even a close contest.

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I mean seriously, when did people stop using Floppies? It was like, 2004 or 2005 if I remember correctly. And there was a good chunk of time in there where we spent many minutes burning CD-ROMs (when our data was too big for Floppies: MS Word documents easily over the 1.44 MB limit...) but Flash Drives were way too expensive to be practically used.

I think some people used those "Jazz" and "Zip" drives as a "floppy replacement", but really it was burning CDs / DVDs (which had a significant delay to spin up and write). Modern Flash drives are instant. Modern cloud-storage is instant.

I cringe at the thought of returning to the 90s. I have a 30MB Powerpoint sitting on my desktop that I've been working on between my home and work. Do you have any idea of how much time it would have taken to transfer that back and forth in the 90s?

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983

#103
> one of the things that makes me steaming mad is how the entire field of web apps ignores 100% of learned lessons from desktop apps

Burns me up too but I think this is by design. Meaning, web app developers generally don't want to listen, even when their bringing that to the desktop in the form of "native" apps.

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983

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post #21

I wonder how much of this is a result of UI designers deliberately putting tiny delays/animations into their UIs to make them more "usable"? For example, it was a common piece of advice that if clicking a button opens up a dialog box, there should be a brief animation showing the box expanding from the direction of the button, so the user would associate the clicking of the button with the appearance of the box and u…

Just last week I discovered I could disable animations in Android through the hidden developer options. It's fabulous. The only initial quirk was no visual feedback when a picture is successfully taken, so it felt like i missed the button, but I've gotten used to it already.

Does anyone know if you can do the same with iPhone?

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983

#106
Recently I discovered how well sapGUI works from the UX perspective. It is essentially an glorified graphical 3270 terminal emulator which runs applications that very often rely on user entering cryptic but human readable IDs (there is lookup functionality integrated in essentially all such fields, but frequent users typically do not use it that much).

Another interesting fact is that the 3270/sapGUI/dynpro model is almost perfect match to how HTML forms work (with the inline lookups and such stuff being the small part that would require some trivial JS/AJAX). I don't understand why today's web apps universaly try to reinvent the wheel by being "single page", emulating desktop WIMP interfaces and such things when simple HTML would work perfectly fine.

Edit to add another point: For our anime conventions I wrote our own online ticketing system. It has web interface for customers and general administration, but the on-site box office uses ncurses interface which intentionally has very ISPF-ish feeling to it, genral consensus of the staff seems to be that it is significantly more efficient and intuitive than web based systems used by other local conventions.

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983

#107

Was originally a tweet-storm -> https://twitter.com/gravislizard/status/927593460642615296 , if anyone is confused by the stream-of-consciousness style. It is frustrating that I've got a machine on my desk more powerful than supercomputers a generation ago, and it locks up and can't refresh the screen as fast as my relatively slow typing on a regular basis...

> Was originally a tweet-storm -> https://twitter.com/gravislizard/status/927593460642615296 , if anyone is confused by the stream-of-consciousness style. I don't mean to detract from the point, but this piece would be helped so much by properly fleshing it out into an article. presenting it as a sequence of 92 tweets is combining the worst of both worlds.

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Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983

#108

Was originally a tweet-storm -> https://twitter.com/gravislizard/status/927593460642615296 , if anyone is confused by the stream-of-consciousness style. It is frustrating that I've got a machine on my desk more powerful than supercomputers a generation ago, and it locks up and can't refresh the screen as fast as my relatively slow typing on a regular basis...

> Was originally a tweet-storm -> https://twitter.com/gravislizard/status/927593460642615296 , if anyone is confused by the stream-of-consciousness style. I don't mean to detract from the point, but this piece would be helped so much by properly fleshing it out into an article. presenting it as a sequence of 92 tweets is combining the worst of both worlds.

I thought the choice of medium was itself an ironic comment on the crappiness of modern computer usage. Tweetstorms are essentially unreadable, even with a tool like this thread aggregator.

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983

#109
Perception of speed means a lot. I once was evaluating reporting apps back when people did reporting on the desktop. One app would render all the pages and then start displaying them. Another app would display each page as it rendered them. Which was faster? Overall, the first. Which felt faster? The second.

Re: Almost everything on computers is perceptually slower than it was in 1983

#110
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The web is hundreds of times more feature-rich than 10 years ago too though. But, sites like HN are some of the few that are still built like they were 10 years ago. The rest all adds rich JS frameworks (for supposed faster interaction after the first load), a few billion social links, ads, cookie banners, "sign up for our newsletter" or "pay our subscription pls" popups when you first land on them, rich fonts, anima…

I agree modern websites look a lot nicer... Or do they? They all look the same: big images, not much text, the top bar, yeah this newsletter thing to upsell with these crappy (but effective) marketing techniques... Somehow I feel old school websites (HN, Reddit, and so) are more sticky, more addictive, more unique. They focus on what we really want: contents and communication with others.

Another thing I realized it's nonsense lately: object oriented programming.

It's often an over-engineered bloat that only works for trivial Programming 101 courses (yeah the famous Employee or Bike class). But in 10+ years of programming, I found that OOP is just a complete mess (you end up with awful classes in your code like Service, Manager, AbstractFactory, and so).

I wish we could just use variables and functions, that's all we need really. :)

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