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Facebook Says It’s Policing Fake Accounts, but They’re Still Easy to Spot

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Re: Facebook Says It’s Policing Fake Accounts, but They’re Still Easy to Spot

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I get that facebook my have complicated motives here, but I don't know that "easy to spot" is a good yardstick. First, there are the countless instances where something is trivial for a single person to suss out that doesn't scale. Second, and perhaps most importantly, I don't think simple hunches about fake accounts are really actionable here. Having an account that "originated in the Middle East" that now presents…

>, but I don't know that "easy to spot" is a good yardstick.

Anecdotal, but my dog has had a Facebook account for a decade now. He makes appropriate comments and likes too. His profile picture and stats are accurate. Given that FB can detect faces and assign names to them, I assume they know this account is bullshit. There's got to be some aspects of avoidance of their part. Growth is more important than making sure accounts are real, unless people report it.

Re: Facebook Says It’s Policing Fake Accounts, but They’re Still Easy to Spot

#102

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The way developed countries handle that is through regulation (specifically, fines). That changes the cost equation. Eg. Germany passed a law that fines Facebook if they don't comply with German hate speech laws.

It sounds as if these developed countries might be quick to throw out the baby with the bathwater

I'm not sure that analogy fits here; I'm not sure of the size of the fines, but they'd have to be pretty hefty for Facebook to decide to just leave Germany over them

Re: Facebook Says It’s Policing Fake Accounts, but They’re Still Easy to Spot

#103

I get that facebook my have complicated motives here, but I don't know that "easy to spot" is a good yardstick. First, there are the countless instances where something is trivial for a single person to suss out that doesn't scale. Second, and perhaps most importantly, I don't think simple hunches about fake accounts are really actionable here. Having an account that "originated in the Middle East" that now presents…

I think they simply don't have an elegant, technical solution for what amounts to old fashioned "policing" or "investigative" work that they simply refuse to or don't want to do because it probably isn't a priority (until it is).

The solution seams akin to the neighbor stealing cable.

Send someone out to go look.

Re: Facebook Says It’s Policing Fake Accounts, but They’re Still Easy to Spot

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post #58

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They don't care anyway. A while back I got a notification that a sexually explicit picture had been removed from my page. I had never seen the picture in question, said so, and asked where it had been posted, as I was worried that my account had been compromised. They completely ignored the question and I got back a standard 'we've reviewed the picture and found it's not compliant with our community standards' reply.…

> Like many people, I'd really like to leave the platform but not the network of friends that I communicate regularly with. And no, email and or other channels are not good substitutes. Any alternative has to offer at least the same degree of functionality/convenience to be worth using. Not picking on you specifically, but I've noticed that this is the standard line used by people who love to complain about how shitt…

Picking on you specifically, but this is the standard line used by people who just want to complain about people complaining.

I also existed before facebook, for quite some time. However I can empathise with those that are dissatisfied with the service and don't see a completely viable alternative, and this doesn't make me fear for the future of our species.

Re: Facebook Says It’s Policing Fake Accounts, but They’re Still Easy to Spot

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post #75

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Um, the person simply defined a problem into existence. There is no agreed upon basis of thinking like this.

Yes they did. So what do you find wrong with their first point or any others? And that might make your suggestion better?

Not that person, but I objected to:

0 -- The outrage caused by misidentified profiles is larger than the outrage or societal damage caused by the existence of fake profiles.

...which was an unstated assumption underpinning why that entire argument would be an objection to implementing account review, and in my estimation is incredibly incorrect. They're being forced into Senate hearings over the false profiles, constantly being harassed by merchants about possible ad fraud over them, and are losing the trust of their communities. By contrast, the storm in a teacup over a few misidentifications is nothing to Facebook. (There's numerous other unstated, highly subjective assumptions as well.)

I also object to:

1 -- This is true, but irrelevant. Facebook cares about the rates of outrage in communities, not the mere existence. Ironically, this person seems to have fallen into the trap they called out, by thinking Facebook cared about instances of outrage (as the poster would). They also care about the relative outrage -- how mad are people compared to another option we can try. This point very poorly frames the problem as being about trying to stop any outrage instead of trying to minimize outrage.

4 -- This is community specific and untrue of the bulk of people. Decreasing error increases the vitriol involved, but it seems to come from a decreasing number of people as the outrage evaporates in the face of better error rates. So I think they're outright wrong here: it's like water cooling as it evaporates. The water is going away, even though it's cooler in the area.

5 -- This one becomes irrelevant (and/or wrong) if you correct the mistakes in 1 and 4.

Overall, this argument is --

a) irrelevant because even if it was correct, it wouldn't matter as it fails to contextualize its point by comparing levels of outrage between sources

b) wrong internally, in that it's largely irrelevant to the problem at hand or just outright wrong.

Re: Facebook Says It’s Policing Fake Accounts, but They’re Still Easy to Spot

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post #89

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20 million reviews per year * 1/(2000 hours per personyear * 10 reviews per personhour) = 1000 people Facebook could afford a thousand fulltime account reviewers, they just don't want to.

You're implicitly assuming that manual reviews would have a 1% or better error rate. I sincerely doubt that's realistic based on what I've seen of assembly line style processes.

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Re: Facebook Says It’s Policing Fake Accounts, but They’re Still Easy to Spot

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't care anyway. A while back I got a notification that a sexually explicit picture had been removed from my page. I had never seen the picture in question, said so, and asked where it had been posted, as I was worried that my account had been compromised. They completely ignored the question and I got back a standard 'we've reviewed the picture and found it's not compliant with our community standards' reply.…

> Like many people, I'd really like to leave the platform but not the network of friends that I communicate regularly with. And no, email and or other channels are not good substitutes. Any alternative has to offer at least the same degree of functionality/convenience to be worth using. Not picking on you specifically, but I've noticed that this is the standard line used by people who love to complain about how shitt…

Since you can't live in a parallel universe where you have a Facebook account you can't possibly know if you're missing out or not.

You also negligent to understand that the world isn't static - communication channels move to different platforms. When I was young "texting" took place through AOL's servers. Imagine if a business said "well the web wasn't around when we started so a website must be useless to us."

I've reconnected with childhood friends who have long moved away on Facebook, so have a couple other people I know. That's invaluable.

Without a Facebook you miss out on the one-off things you may say to a group but probably won't call everyone in your address book plus that guy you met at that conference last week, and your old college buddy you haven't seen in 10 years. Most of the time they aren't "important," but they can be, such as "My company is looking to hire for ${position}, is anyone interested?"

Facebook also facilitates getting to know new people so much easier. It's very "low friction" to add someone you "know of but don't know" on Facebook. That can lead to new friendships. Sure, it's not the only way to make friends, that doesn't discount it.

Re: Facebook Says It’s Policing Fake Accounts, but They’re Still Easy to Spot

#110
post #19

By "policing fake accounts" they also mean "hunt down real accounts who don't use their real name, and ask for a scan of your ID".

I understand the distinction, but how do we expect them to do both? If they can't enforce a real-name policy (by backing it up with required ID) then how can they possibly remove fake accounts which often use fake names?

Just watch account behavior, IP addresses... There are many real users who don't use their names for good reasons. Fake accounts are also used for false clicks, which facebook doesn't mind.

And by the way, there are no way to really know if a name is real or not.

Im just saying facebook use the real name requirement excuse... but there are other ways to fight fake accounts.

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