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I might not be the only person who remembers this time fondly for the profits it gave me.

During this time I was doing a lot of computer repair for family friends and other acquaintances that I volunteered with. Most of this work was unpaid for various reasons (either "Family Obligation(tm)" or me helping out some folks who didn't have enough money to pay for repair services). I often received a "Thank You" for the free service of the "it's broken, but have it -- maybe you can fix it" kind of variety[0]. Often, I'd explain that I couldn't do much with these things and would politely refuse, but on occasion, I'd run into an item that I knew I could sell broken on e-bay and recoup some cost, or I'd encounter someone who was embarrassed at not being able to afford to pay and would accept the item as a suitable gift to cover their pride.

Around 2006, I was given an exceptionally expensive plasma television from one of these individuals and really wanted to fix it up, so I took it apart and discovered that it was simply a case of some bulging capacitors. I have plenty of experience with a soldering iron but these weren't even difficult soldering jobs - they were large caps that were obviously part of the power supply component and having a box of these in the basement, I replaced them and ended up with a nice television that used until a couple of years ago.

While initially researching this model of television, I ran across complaints about failing capacitors which led me to some articles complaining about Dell motherboards having similar problems and a lot of noise about this being an industry epidemic, so I investigated the five or so PCs is my basement and seven LCD monitors. In the case of the displays, every one of them had bad caps on the PSU. In the case of the Dell PCs, it was motherboards. I fixed each and sold them for a few hundred a piece. I ended up buying a lot of broken stock on eBay based on descriptions of why they were broken and picked up a nice AVR, amp and sub-woofer that way saving at least 50% (I picked up the $300 amp for $10, my best purchase).

I had several of my own equipment die from this, including a SageTV media streaming device, almost all of the first generation of which had 6-7 bad caps. The lot of these sorts of problems started drying up around 2011/2012 for me, but I still encounter hardware that I suspect is a few bum caps away from perfectly functional. I even had my secondary sub, purchased in 1996, fail due to this.

[0] This happened more often than it didn't and was usually monitors. I recovered data from a bum hard drive for an old lady who had 4 different LCD monitors ranging from 1024x760-1280x1080 in her basement, all capable of only lighting the little LED in the front. It made no sense for her to have even one of these, let alone five. Sometimes it was the old PC that was a year old but failed and a replacement was gifted from the son-in-law for Christmas.

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I had a GeForce card at the time that died from the bad capacitor problems. I also remember many iMac’s with failed capacitors.

I had _three_ of the same generation card die on me. The past and future generations still work fine.

(7xxx/8xxx/9xxx series if I recall correctly.)

No problems with 560, 1060, or even really old cards like the MX series. So "specific generation of capacitors" seems to line up with it pretty well. I find it hard to believe that just that one chipset generation was terrible (as opposed to OEM's using popular but faulty brand caps and getting burned by it).

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I will never get this lucky charm obsession with miniature online success stories.

I used to and experience . But then I . Now I . There's a bot/AI application in there somewhere. Of course, this is one of those "we spent so long thinking about whether we could, we didn't stop to ask whether we should" type projects...

There's probably money to be made there. Could use something similar to generate realistic fake reviews.

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When I was in High School our school district had a ton of computers by state grant (1 for every 2 students). One summer (2005 if I remember correctly) the IBM desktops all started popping capacitors. Me and a few technically inclined friends got a nice summer job out of identifying affected machines, gathering them up, re-imaging them, and replacing them around the district. Funny to learn this was such a widespread…

I worked tech support for my small public school district when I was a senior in high school in 2004-5. I must have replaced at least a hundred motherboards with this issue. Apparently they were covered under warranty (mostly HP computers, I believe), but I wonder if there was any conpensation for labor. Those things are tedious to replace in the slightly odd form factors they use for education/enterprise workstations. Not that my labor was costing the district too much ($6.50 an hour, which I considered a very generous premium above minimum wage.)

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This is also an issue on the original Xbox game console. It is especially exacerbated on a specific capacitor on the motherboard which is asked to perform above it's specifications.

It is known to "pop" and splash acid all over the motherboard and ruining the motherboard in the process.

Luckily it's only function is to keep time (for about 8 hours after unplugging, then it dies and forgets the time anyway). The fix is very quick, wiggle the capacitor until the legs break and remove it. I've done it for about 8 boxes. This procedure is very, very common among collectors and enthusiasts as the capacitor is not needed for normal operation and it's usually not a matter of if the capacitor will blow, but when, leaving you with a brick.

If you have an original Xbox console and would like to know more, search for "Xbox clock capacitor removal", or message me.

(Common symptoms besides not turning on can also be: Not turning off. Turning on or off randomly. Randomly ejecting the DVD tray. Always ejecting the DVD tray and never allowing it to be closed. Never ejecting the DVD tray. Some or all controller ports no longer functioning.

If your Xbox doesn't have these symptoms but it is forgetting the time after turning it off, you should open your box as soon as possible and investigate the capacitor.)

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A victim here. My 2007 MacBook Pro started to swell on the bottom after a couple of years, didn't think much of it, it was a tiny bump at first, but then it almost doubled in thickness so I replaced it with a cheap Chinese knockoff (was broke at the time due to starting a startup), and the same thing happened in about a year. Lesson learned.

same in 2009 model, i'm using it right now, (without OS X of course). there is now a 4-2mm lip on the underside where the battery panel is being pushed out. I still get about 40mins and seems to have stopped swelling so what the heck :P Anyway these days Apple sells those sort of things as "features"... lets call it a "leg gripping lip" allows lap usage at strange angles.

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same in 2009 model, i'm using it right now, (without OS X of course). there is now a 4-2mm lip on the underside where the battery panel is being pushed out. I still get about 40mins and seems to have stopped swelling so what the heck :P Anyway these days Apple sells those sort of things as "features"... lets call it a "leg gripping lip" allows lap usage at strange angles.

Hey, you probably know that but just in case: charging a swollen battery is a fire hazard.

It's ok, it swollen to it's current size 8 years ago... and hasn't changed since. It's also not restricted to it's housing because the battery compartment quite easily pops off.

(non-extreme) swelling does not itself cause fire, restriction which leads to puncture or shorting does... this is not a year old 1mm thick smart phone, it's an inch thick decade old macbook.

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same in 2009 model, i'm using it right now, (without OS X of course). there is now a 4-2mm lip on the underside where the battery panel is being pushed out. I still get about 40mins and seems to have stopped swelling so what the heck :P Anyway these days Apple sells those sort of things as "features"... lets call it a "leg gripping lip" allows lap usage at strange angles.

As a community services announcement: you should probably replace that battery immediately. It might never burn your house down while you sleep, but someone else might read your comment and think it's okay.

I most certainly will not.

Shorting, puncture and overcharge cause lipo fires. Expansion can lead to puncture and shorting in stupid thin enclosures, this is in an inch thick unsealed enclosure with lots of give which even pops off with little force, containing a battery which has swollen around 1-2% of it's original volume.

This is not a consumer advice forum, it's hacker news...

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