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The state of Webpack does not reflect a 400k/year budget. The docs, API, source code, ecosystem... so happy to hear people making software engineering money get a second salary to keep doing this. We're all waiting for the thing that will replace Webpack so we don't have to keep using it. Maybe we should just go and make it.
Brunch.io maybe?
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People leave nonsense comments like this just to spread FUD are so irritating. I upgraded 1–>2 a while back and it took a few changes based on informative error messages. People like this made me dread the upgrade thinking it would be complicated. It was basically painless. I’m on version 3–something now and have encountered no other breaking changes. It’s a great tool. I guess people who leave comments like this hav…
Great it worked out for you, but if it wasn't such a pain to upgrade (I know this from personal experience), wouldn't there be lesser FUD?
The difficulty I have with Webpack is that there does not seem to be any unifying principle of how things work. The stream model of gulp and the resulting highly structured code that most often results means that I can generally find and fix bugs quickly, this is even possible in the horribly convoluted gulp file that we use at my current working place. In my experience when you have even a bit of webpack and there i…
I've only had to really wrestle with webpack twice: once to get it working with a huge corpus of legacy code, the other to get it building a node backend and ES6 frontend with lots of shared code. Other than that my config has always been pretty simple.
>> sorry to hear you feel this way! [..]
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When I first read the quote, I thought "that's nice of webpack". Then I saw this:
> The greatest power you have for haters or trolls is love.
I would not call someone saying "fuck webpack" a hater or a troll, I would call them a frustrated user. OTOH, you can turn a frustrated user into a hater or a troll by dismissing their concerns or by trying to shift the blame onto them by calling them rude.
Venting your frustration is an absolutely understandable behaviour when faced with unintuitive software, especially for users who don't understand what they're using (including software developers!) - they're in a position of lesser power, feel helpless, and need an outlet to express this. No developer should be taking these expressions as a personal attack, nor belittling it as rude or trolling.
Because of this, I saw the original quoted interaction in a new light - upon a second look, it is a bit unsubstantial, bordering on virtue-signalling. A proper quote that actually indicates caring about your users, would include responding to a specific problem from a very frustrated user, by actually fixing the issue. Not just saying nice words.
Nice to hear there's some hope... I managed to get some small grants and donations and things for WireGuard over part of this last year -- https://www.wireguard.com/donations/ -- but I don't have much lined up for next year, and I'm hoping I can figure it out in time to do WireGuard things full time. The thing is just getting funding lined up for [part of] this last year was a pretty time consuming hustle, and I'd ra…
- https://medium.com/the-vue-point/vue-in-2016-8df71d98bfb3#9a...
> Going Independent
> In early March I decided to work on Vue full-time independently and started a Patreon campaign, which has been (to my surprise) quite successful so far. It is my first time working independently without having to report to a manager, and it has been a very liberating experience.
They also use OpenCollective: https://medium.com/the-vue-point/vue-is-now-on-opencollectiv...
The difficulty I have with Webpack is that there does not seem to be any unifying principle of how things work. The stream model of gulp and the resulting highly structured code that most often results means that I can generally find and fix bugs quickly, this is even possible in the horribly convoluted gulp file that we use at my current working place. In my experience when you have even a bit of webpack and there i…
Completely agreed. Webpack faces the exact issue that Grunt ran into which is these huge 'config files of doom' that end up as snowflakes which are hard to understand. Rather, defining the build process entirely in code lets you step through the whole thing logically.
>> fuck webpack >> sorry to hear you feel this way! [..] >> [..] When I first read the quote, I thought "that's nice of webpack". Then I saw this: > The greatest power you have for haters or trolls is love. I would not call someone saying "fuck webpack" a hater or a troll, I would call them a frustrated user. OTOH, you can turn a frustrated user into a hater or a troll by dismissing their concerns or by trying to shi…
I get the frustration...I've said "Fuck XYZ" a thousand times for a thousand different software XYZs but to take that to a public forum is suitable behavior for a toddler, and does harm.
How many nights & weekends were spent building Webpack? How many nights & weekends coming up with "fuck webpack"? Show some respect and at least spend a few hours in thoughtful critique. Civility must still have a place, even online.
Tangentially, Rich Hickey recently responded (I think appropriately) to a similar outlet re Clojure [1].
[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Clojure/comments/73yznc/on_whose_au...
>> fuck webpack >> sorry to hear you feel this way! [..] >> [..] When I first read the quote, I thought "that's nice of webpack". Then I saw this: > The greatest power you have for haters or trolls is love. I would not call someone saying "fuck webpack" a hater or a troll, I would call them a frustrated user. OTOH, you can turn a frustrated user into a hater or a troll by dismissing their concerns or by trying to shi…
>> fuck webpack >> sorry to hear you feel this way! [..] >> [..] When I first read the quote, I thought "that's nice of webpack". Then I saw this: > The greatest power you have for haters or trolls is love. I would not call someone saying "fuck webpack" a hater or a troll, I would call them a frustrated user. OTOH, you can turn a frustrated user into a hater or a troll by dismissing their concerns or by trying to shi…
I don't think it's acceptable in any situation to express your frustration this way in a public forum, especially for OSS. Thoughtful critical pieces are fine and necessary, but I don't think blatant vitriolic "cathartic" outlets should be encouraged at all -- in this case, it is being encouraged by the maintainer, but I don't think that helps anything. I get the frustration...I've said "Fuck XYZ" a thousand times fo…
>> fuck webpack >> sorry to hear you feel this way! [..] >> [..] When I first read the quote, I thought "that's nice of webpack". Then I saw this: > The greatest power you have for haters or trolls is love. I would not call someone saying "fuck webpack" a hater or a troll, I would call them a frustrated user. OTOH, you can turn a frustrated user into a hater or a troll by dismissing their concerns or by trying to shi…
Lol you absolve frustrated users of all blame. Even if you're frustrated, it's not difficult to be civil.
Maybe that's just me.