Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Go at Digital Ocean

speakerdeck.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

21–30 of 107 posts

Re: Go at Digital Ocean

#21

Post by throwawaysml »

twic wrote: post #19

Coffee and bag geek I'm a coffee geek, but i'm intrigued at the idea of being a bag geek. How does one geek out over bags? What are the cool things bag geeks know that ordinary people don't?

I'm not a bag geek, but I know firsthand how hard it is to find the right bag, if you care about functionality more than form.

For instance, I still haven't found the right carry on backpack that's sturdy, doesn't cost $200+, allows me to take clothes for a couple days and a laptop. It's either too big, too expensive, too heavy, too fragile, take your pick. So I can understand how someone can become a bag geek if they have to travel professionally on their own (without assistants who carry your baggage). Bonus points if I can detach a small laptop bag to take with me in order not to leave it at the hotel with the rest of the bag. So far I've always had to carry around the backpack and leave clothes in the hotel room. Pack, arrive, unpack, carry laptop, repack, go home.

Re: Go at Digital Ocean

#22

Post by throwawaysml »

octalmage wrote: post #8
steveklabnik wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many big companies are shipping Rust. There's ones we know about, like Oracle, and there's ones we've only heard whispers of, like a poster on the Reddit who claims they are shipping Rust at a Fortune 500 company. That said, Go makes sense for a lot of the things DO does.

I also think Rust is the more interesting choice, but the company I work for went with Go. It does seem to be the more popular choice.

Go is becoming the new Java from what I can tell so it's good to know enough to find your way around and patch a Go project if needed. Being the new Java, despite being less expressive, explains the uptake in the enterprise and startups.

Re: Go at Digital Ocean

#23

Post by throwawaysml »

Am I alone in finding it unsurprising but unfortunate that all those addons to the official go toolchain are created by everyone to paper over the limitations of the Google Go implementation (which naturally reflects Google's development process and needs more than anything)?

EDIT: E.g moving .git/ back and forth or adding extra vetting/linting tools instead of extending `go vet`.

Re: Go at Digital Ocean

#24

Post by arianvanp »

The go vendoring stuff and GOPATH sounds like a complete nightmare to me. Also the fact that imports are full git URLS sounds totally crazy. Is `dep` fixing all that stuff? Last time I checked out go a few years ago, I didn't continue because I found the story of actually installing dependencies and keeping track of versions very confusing. You couldn't even `go get` a specific git tag or something.

I'm happy that there seems to be some movement. But now we have godep, govendor, glide, dep. and every project uses one or the other. Are they all compatible? Or is it a minefield?

Re: Go at Digital Ocean

#26

Post by kbar13 »

arianvanp wrote: post #24

The go vendoring stuff and GOPATH sounds like a complete nightmare to me. Also the fact that imports are full git URLS sounds totally crazy. Is `dep` fixing all that stuff? Last time I checked out go a few years ago, I didn't continue because I found the story of actually installing dependencies and keeping track of versions very confusing. You couldn't even `go get` a specific git tag or something. I'm happy that th…

i believe dep and glide allow you to pin to specific versions. i actually really like that imports are URLs, makes it really obvious where packages come from, and it's a better system imo than a centralized package manager like pypi / rubygem where names need to be unique.

Re: Go at Digital Ocean

#27

Post by js2 »

throwawaysml wrote: post #21
twic wrote: post #19

Coffee and bag geek I'm a coffee geek, but i'm intrigued at the idea of being a bag geek. How does one geek out over bags? What are the cool things bag geeks know that ordinary people don't?

I'm not a bag geek, but I know firsthand how hard it is to find the right bag, if you care about functionality more than form. For instance, I still haven't found the right carry on backpack that's sturdy, doesn't cost $200+, allows me to take clothes for a couple days and a laptop. It's either too big, too expensive, too heavy, too fragile, take your pick. So I can understand how someone can become a bag geek if the…

I don’t understand the objection to price if it fulfills all your other requirements. A quality bag will have a lifetime warranty. Have you looked at Go Ruck?

Re: Go at Digital Ocean

#28

Post by pjmlp »

throwawaysml wrote: post #22
octalmage wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also think Rust is the more interesting choice, but the company I work for went with Go. It does seem to be the more popular choice.

Go is becoming the new Java from what I can tell so it's good to know enough to find your way around and patch a Go project if needed. Being the new Java, despite being less expressive, explains the uptake in the enterprise and startups.

Pity it is the new Java 1.0, instead of being the new Java 9.

Re: Go at Digital Ocean

#29

Post by throwawaysml »

js2 wrote: post #27
throwawaysml wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a bag geek, but I know firsthand how hard it is to find the right bag, if you care about functionality more than form. For instance, I still haven't found the right carry on backpack that's sturdy, doesn't cost $200+, allows me to take clothes for a couple days and a laptop. It's either too big, too expensive, too heavy, too fragile, take your pick. So I can understand how someone can become a bag geek if the…

I don’t understand the objection to price if it fulfills all your other requirements. A quality bag will have a lifetime warranty. Have you looked at Go Ruck?

Past experience makes me wary to risk spending that much and be disappointed two trips later. Lifetime doesn't mean they give money back if unsatisfied, except one or two companies. Also, upping my budget didn't magically reveal viable options either. So I could have skipped the price tag mention and conclude that it's just hard to find the perfect bag.

I've seen the Go Ruck GR2 and it doesn't fit my requirements.

Re: Go at Digital Ocean

#30

Post by throwawaysml »

pjmlp wrote: post #28
throwawaysml wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go is becoming the new Java from what I can tell so it's good to know enough to find your way around and patch a Go project if needed. Being the new Java, despite being less expressive, explains the uptake in the enterprise and startups.

Pity it is the new Java 1.0, instead of being the new Java 9.

If Java had good AOT and fast startup coupled with comparable initial GC heap sizes, it could have had a better chance at fighting off Go. Java will not go away and many teams that adopt Go also migrate to other languages at some point if their projects outgrow the capabilities of Go and the pain gets too strong.

I'm partial to GHC's language extension model over a cornucopia of Go pre- and post-processing tools like Java had (e.g. AspectJ and all the tools making use of annotations? or Go processors using comments). It will be easier to improve GHC's GC or complete OCaml's multicore branch than bring Go to the current century of proven programming language features. Go has found a niche as a replacement for C and Python in network programming, which is great. It just doesn't scale as well with project and team size. OCaml's multicore project also introduces algebraic effects (comprehensive alternative to monadic programming) to the mainstream, so I can't wait for OCaml multicore to land in mainline.

Post reply on HN