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Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by noncoml »

gehsty wrote: post #273
noncoml wrote: post #63

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Why do you get so defensive? What in “is no more than just another faster, smaller, and costlier“ is not accurate?

It’s not accurate because there is more, the front facing sensor array to make faceid possible is completely new, the OLED display is completely new.

OLED is something a lot of high end phones had for quite some time now.

As for FaceID, I am not convinced yet. I would be more impressed with an under the screen fingerprint sensor.

But I guess I will try it in a couple of weeks, when I get mine, and form a better opinion.

IMHO component costs are not the reason Apple increased the price; they increased it because they could.

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by mcphage »

mbo wrote: post #344
mcphage wrote: post #248

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Chat heads are a terrible feature, and now that you told me I can turn them off I’m going to go do that immediately.

What's your main issue with them? Aren't they just a superior version of the "reply-in-notification" feature of iOS?

The reply-in-notifications go away after I've replied, they don't hang around and cover a portion of the screen all the time. And if I don't want to read them right away, then I've got this thing hanging around on my screen with a angry red number that I don't want to deal with.

They're intrusive, they're obnoxious, they cause performance hiccups on occasion. They're not a superior version of anything.

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by incompatible »

toasterlovin wrote: post #347
incompatible wrote: post #346

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The component manufacture is outsourced too isn't it? It seems they have been setting up or buying some chip fabrication facilities, but does any current Apple product contain anything built in an Apple factory?

I don’t get it. Apple makes the best mobile processors in the world. They routinely introduce low volume manufacturing techniques to the iPhone, which they then scale to 100+ million units per year. How are they somehow not a hardware company?

They design processors, but they are manufactured in volume by Samsung or other outsourcing companies.

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

kogepathic wrote: post #302
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #51

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Hmm, this is what I thought as well. Just like if I have a splitter plugged into the wall and two USB cables attached I can charge those two devices as fast as if there was one item plugged in. So why wouldn't this be faster?

> Just like if I have a splitter plugged into the wall and two USB cables attached I can charge those two devices as fast as if there was one item plugged in. So why wouldn't this be faster? Because with your method you are doubling the power. Imagine you have one charger with a fixed output of 10W (2A @ 5V). Now you have a USB splitter cable which allows you to plug two devices into the same charger. What happens? M…

Ah okay that made sense thanks!

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Post by pertymcpert »

incompatible wrote: post #353
toasterlovin wrote: post #347

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I don’t get it. Apple makes the best mobile processors in the world. They routinely introduce low volume manufacturing techniques to the iPhone, which they then scale to 100+ million units per year. How are they somehow not a hardware company?

They design processors, but they are manufactured in volume by Samsung or other outsourcing companies.

You have to design the hardware with the manufacturing process in mind. It's not like a re-compile.

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by gehsty »

noncoml wrote: post #351
gehsty wrote: post #273

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It’s not accurate because there is more, the front facing sensor array to make faceid possible is completely new, the OLED display is completely new.

OLED is something a lot of high end phones had for quite some time now. As for FaceID, I am not convinced yet. I would be more impressed with an under the screen fingerprint sensor. But I guess I will try it in a couple of weeks, when I get mine, and form a better opinion. IMHO component costs are not the reason Apple increased the price; they increased it because they could.

Not all OLEDs are made equal...

You haven’t used faceid yet are not convinced... Maybe wait until you’ve used it? I am using it right now, and so far there are very few times I’ve missed touchid, and I’ve been reminded of all the times that Touch ID would fail, like getting out of the shower etc...

I don’t understand the longing for an underscreen finger print scanner, does the computer in Star Trek require thumb print? Does the UI in minority report? If you imagine futuristic computer interfaces the computers just know who is using them, this is one of the first steps along that road...

As to the price, Apple price there phones where they want to price them to make sure they have high profit margins. I’m not sure why people complain about this. If they don’t do this they don’t make as much money. I do believe this phone costs significantly more to make than others, and the price fairly reflects that, though it is only £200 premium over the 8+...

How do you think Apple should price there products? A lower overall cost?

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by toasterlovin »

incompatible wrote: post #353
toasterlovin wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t get it. Apple makes the best mobile processors in the world. They routinely introduce low volume manufacturing techniques to the iPhone, which they then scale to 100+ million units per year. How are they somehow not a hardware company?

They design processors, but they are manufactured in volume by Samsung or other outsourcing companies.

I’m not saying that they actually manufacture the products. I’m saying they are a hardware company.

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by Aloha »

mmcnl wrote: post #336
Aloha wrote: post #258

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The onboard crypto is still used to secure voice calls.

Why not use the same secure element as Apple is using for Apple Pay for this?

Because the SIM is universal, its designed to be architecture independent, the SIM is also open, when the secure element that apple is using for apple pay is not.

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by gabrielcsapo »

michaelmrose wrote: post #294
aeontech wrote: post #173

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You're casually insulting everyone who is working hard on the software. Consider that the team sizes are surprisingly small. Consider that throwing more people at a project does not scale, and famously just slows things down after a certain, fairly small threshold. Consider that software is still really really freaking hard to do. Unlimited money does not solve all problems, contrary to what you may think. You can't…

I think we can have an honest conversation even if it hurts peoples feelings.

I think it would be easier to have a conversation that cares about human emotions and get results, than to insult others and lose perspective of those involved. The recent flak over Node COC is a extremely good example about how "having an honest conversation even if it hurts people," is extremely destructive. [1]

[1] https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/08/24/nodejs_forks_ayo_co...

Re: iPhone X Teardown

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Post by gcardone_ »

kuschku wrote: post #170
aliasxneo wrote: post #164

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As a datacenter technician for Google, this makes me happy to see other people recognize this.

It’s just sad that we’ll never see any of that openly available, or described.

Disclaimer: I'm an SRE at Google, my opinions are my own.

We actually release a decent amount of information, see [0]. I particularly recommend "Jupiter Rising: A Decade of Clos Topologies and Centralized Control in Google's Datacenter Network" [1].

[0] https://research.google.com/pubs/Networking.html [1] https://research.google.com/pubs/archive/46286.pdf

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