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Fifty-three year old nuclear missile accident revealed

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Re: Fifty-three year old nuclear missile accident revealed

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Post by gene50 »

agumonkey wrote: post #143
gedy wrote: post #128

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> We've been reckless I worked around nuclear weapon systems and TBH came away with the opposite impression. I grew up terrified of the military and panic mongering about of "THE BOMBS!" from family, media, etc. But after this, I ironically came away feeling much safer seeing how professional and serious people took their jobs.

Some nuclear plant worker told the same on reddit. We're all very concerned about nuclear plant since Fukushima and we all saw mistakes. But the guy basically said he wouldn't work in any other place considering how well it was done and operated.

Fukushima should be an eye opener because that mistake and accident cost many lives. It made innocents suffer due to health problems.. who might never recover.

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Post by gedy »

gene50 wrote: post #231
agumonkey wrote: post #143

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Some nuclear plant worker told the same on reddit. We're all very concerned about nuclear plant since Fukushima and we all saw mistakes. But the guy basically said he wouldn't work in any other place considering how well it was done and operated.

Fukushima should be an eye opener because that mistake and accident cost many lives. It made innocents suffer due to health problems.. who might never recover.

> accident cost many lives

There were none:

"there were no deaths caused by acute radiation syndrome. Given the uncertain health effects of low-dose radiation, cancer deaths cannot be ruled out. However, no discernible increase in the rate of cancer deaths is expected."[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disa...

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Post by crdoconnor »

jnwatson wrote: post #219
crdoconnor wrote: post #217

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>paper-thin cover story? Crimea is 70% ethnically Russian and the majority wanted to become part of Russia. Russia invaded and held a vote. Ukraine's response to that was that the vote should not have happened not because it was undemocratic, but because it was unconstitutional. Their story was pretty solid.

That logic would justify quite a few invasions.

If the invasion involved limited or no violence and ended up with a democratic vote that was otherwise going to be suppressed, I'm not so sure that's such a bad thing.

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Post by agumonkey »

gedy wrote: post #232
gene50 wrote: post #231

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Fukushima should be an eye opener because that mistake and accident cost many lives. It made innocents suffer due to health problems.. who might never recover.

> accident cost many lives There were none: "there were no deaths caused by acute radiation syndrome. Given the uncertain health effects of low-dose radiation, cancer deaths cannot be ruled out. However, no discernible increase in the rate of cancer deaths is expected."[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disa...

News reported the state of the area a year after but I didn't check since, it would be interesting to see how they coped with the event.

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Post by nasredin »

adventured wrote: post #183
nasredin wrote: post #175

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And have a great weekend guys! Adventured

Indeed. It's the whole reason to never allow a nuclear conflict to erupt in the first place. And particularly to not get into a scenario where a weak third world type power can threaten the existence of a superpower (because it may topple the MAD premise in the after-consequences; MAD has a rarely discussed psychological requirement involving the people of a nation: acceptable parity exchange, aka great powers with a…

Yes. People have a very negative view of MAD.

But when you stop and think about it, MAD kept the world safe for 60+ years.

It's a bit paradoxical that the most powerful bomb and the doctorine named after the word "insanity" achieved (relative) world peace.

"Peacemaker" ICBM and "Peace is Our Profession" from Dr Strangelove comes to mind.

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Post by muro »

sfifs wrote: post #190
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #156

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China, India and Pakistan, all three of them nuclear powers, have been fighting a low-level conflict over Kashmir for several decades. So far none of them has nuked the others. Presumably, they realise the consequences of dropping a nuclear bomb in a region of the world with a couple billion people or three.

And no one has lost any territory to the other since they developed nuclear weapons. All conventional millitary conflicts date from before they became nuclear powers.

India lost territory to China after both had nuclear weapons.

Re: Fifty-three year old nuclear missile accident revealed

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Post by pcrh »

Lordarminius wrote: post #224
blowski wrote: post #222

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Thought twice, and then done the same thing anyway.

Nope. There is no precedent for invading a nuclear armed state. So much can go wrong so fast that diplomacy is always preferred to war. Isn't it wonderful what a little nuclear leverage can do for you ?

>There is no precedent for invading a nuclear armed state.

The Argentine invasion of the Falklands might be considered an exception to that.

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Post by fapjacks »

kbenson wrote: post #124
wildmusings wrote: post #122

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Sure we can. We have the capability to totally annihilate as much of North Korea as we need in order to prevent a counter attack. The question is if we are willing to do it, and kill millions of North Korean civilians. Trump is sure trying to convince the North Koreans that he is.

From missile launch to missile detonation is enough time for NK to shell large chunks of high population areas of SK. They have the guns already pointed and ready for exactly this reason.

You're underestimating the power and depth of American and South Korean counterbattery along the DMZ. DPRK will not be able to sustain a prolonged artillery attack. They'll get a their first punches in, but they won't be able to keep it up. All that shit is completely automated, too. All they have to do is flip a switch and anything in Best Korea firing ordnance across the DMZ will explode fairly quickly and completely automatically.

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Post by isostatic »

crdoconnor wrote: post #217
dragonwriter wrote: post #113

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> Even if Ukraine had nukes, would it have threatened and actually have the will to use it over the lost of the Crimea? Over a conventional invasion by a neighboring nation-state with massive conventional superiority with a paper-thin cover story? Probably. I mean, that’s why the USSR didn't pull that stunt against any of the NATO countries bordering its satellites, ever, even though they did similar things to other…

>paper-thin cover story? Crimea is 70% ethnically Russian and the majority wanted to become part of Russia. Russia invaded and held a vote. Ukraine's response to that was that the vote should not have happened not because it was undemocratic, but because it was unconstitutional. Their story was pretty solid.

The inability for countries to peacefully reorganise themselves with clear democratic mandates, both enabling the rights of the majority while protecting the rights of the minority, is a major problem, and one that could well define the 21st century.

Re: Fifty-three year old nuclear missile accident revealed

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Post by isostatic »

dogma1138 wrote: post #148
kbenson wrote: post #139

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> You assuming that NK has an early warning system which consists of more than a guy with binoculars and circa 1960s radar which they don’t. You don't think China has such a system and won't give a friendly call to North Korea? You'd be willing to bet the lives of South Koreans on that? Also, as much as we like to think of North Korea as a joke nation, I'm sure there are some very smart people in the government. In f…

China doesn’t have sophisticated early warning systems either, nor does it have a central military command nor integrated command and control infrastructure they’ve started one in 2011 but as their military ranks are a political appointment the competency of their military leadership is lacking at best. You seem to not understand exactly what the situation is even if NK would get an early warning say 10min it would n…

Your first strike plan appears to use nuclear weapons against another country (not seen since 1945), on such a massive scale that it knocks out the ability for North Korea to respond.

Lets say for some miracle you're right, and the plan works. The fallout is going somewhere - China, South Korea, Japan, and the far east of Russia. That's a lot of unhappy people right there, before the rest of the world realises just what tiny hands has done and the US truly becomes the evil empire.

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