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Re: Runa is hiring Clojure developers

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Post by sgrove »

MADMEN wrote: post #8

Sorry, but I dont get point of using an Obscure language like Clojure. Also how are they different from directed edge a YC funded start up. If they are doing predictive analysis/machine learning stuff, It makes sense to use Java, Python and C in that order since Java is what Hadoop is written in, while python and C allow very low dev time and latter provides extremely fast execution. Using an unproven second class la…

I'm not sure you're quite familiar with Clojure - Java interop is pretty easy. There are problems, as with any lisp-dialect interacting with C/Java. My scheme-based 3d game engine has, at its lowest level, what essentially looks procedural opengl. But you build layers around these (quite quickly) in the lisp of your choice.

That said, I spoke with this team a bit ago, and they seem like they definitely know that they're doing. The fact that they're writing in Clojure would make me think that 1) They're a team of capable hackers, and 2) They're a team of practical hackers.

Really the only concern w.r.t language is readability/ compatibility with existing systems and low dev. time

Did you just describe the main benefits of clojure to a T there? :)

Re: Runa is hiring Clojure developers

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Post by plinkplonk »

MADMEN wrote: post #8

Sorry, but I dont get point of using an Obscure language like Clojure. Also how are they different from directed edge a YC funded start up. If they are doing predictive analysis/machine learning stuff, It makes sense to use Java, Python and C in that order since Java is what Hadoop is written in, while python and C allow very low dev time and latter provides extremely fast execution. Using an unproven second class la…

"Using an unproven second class language like clojure shows that the team behind this project has a little experience in statistical modeling and related fields."

Flamebait like this detract from any points you intended to make. I am hardly the greatest fan of Clojure here, but the "second class" label is hardly justified.

Re: Runa is hiring Clojure developers

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Post by noelwelsh »

plinkplonk wrote: post #6

What do people on HN think of the idea behind this startup? Do you think it has the potential to be huge and/or a good acquisition target? Would you apply/Are you applying for this job? Why or why not? It certainly sounds like they have everything (business case /tech etc) well laid out. If I were a potential employee I'd have liked some information on what kind of equity a new employee could expect - RethinkDB set t…

The idea is sound. There are a bunch of people in the same area; I'm not sure how Runa differentiate themselves.

Re: Runa is hiring Clojure developers

#15

Post by MADMEN »

dcotter wrote: post #10
MADMEN wrote: post #8

Sorry, but I dont get point of using an Obscure language like Clojure. Also how are they different from directed edge a YC funded start up. If they are doing predictive analysis/machine learning stuff, It makes sense to use Java, Python and C in that order since Java is what Hadoop is written in, while python and C allow very low dev time and latter provides extremely fast execution. Using an unproven second class la…

Clojure is a Lisp for the JVM, so in a sense they are using Java. Besides, Clojure has been used in several high-throughput data analysis applications (FlightCaster for one), so it's not exactly an "unproven second-class language".

see this is my exact problem,no one outside HN gives a fuck about grammar in real world or about which programming language ideals you love in real life.

Flight Caster or the other company which google bought use huge data but with that they also use huge amount of rules. They are developing rule systems and engines and not Not a data mining system.

The company in the post has a machine learning problem, what they require is fast matrix multiplication and great mathematical models and not some weird ass FP language ideals.

Go to mloss.org and look for projects that use FP languages.

in real life no one gives a fuck about lisp and other FP idiocacy, that why AI book by norvig has now code written in Python, thats why Google being one of the most leading AI companies uses C++ Python and Java.

Thats why you wont find any one in any data mining/ mahcine learning department in any US university MIT/CMU/Stanford using some shit FP lanuages.

Beacuse thats not their core business!

nor spelling correctly is mine.

Re: Runa is hiring Clojure developers

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Post by plinkplonk »

MADMEN wrote: post #15
dcotter wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clojure is a Lisp for the JVM, so in a sense they are using Java. Besides, Clojure has been used in several high-throughput data analysis applications (FlightCaster for one), so it's not exactly an "unproven second-class language".

see this is my exact problem,no one outside HN gives a fuck about grammar in real world or about which programming language ideals you love in real life. Flight Caster or the other company which google bought use huge data but with that they also use huge amount of rules. They are developing rule systems and engines and not Not a data mining system. The company in the post has a machine learning problem, what they re…

",no one outside HN gives a fuck about.. which programming language ideals you love in real life."

Good developers (who they are trying to hire) do. This is a recruitment pitch. In that context, "language ideals" are important.

Re: Runa is hiring Clojure developers

#17

Post by icey »

plinkplonk wrote: post #16
MADMEN wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

see this is my exact problem,no one outside HN gives a fuck about grammar in real world or about which programming language ideals you love in real life. Flight Caster or the other company which google bought use huge data but with that they also use huge amount of rules. They are developing rule systems and engines and not Not a data mining system. The company in the post has a machine learning problem, what they re…

",no one outside HN gives a fuck about.. which programming language ideals you love in real life." Good developers (who they are trying to hire) do. This is a recruitment pitch. In that context , "language ideals" are important.

  user:	MADMEN
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Don't bother feeding the trolls.

Re: Runa is hiring Clojure developers

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Post by MADMEN »

sgrove wrote: post #11
MADMEN wrote: post #8

Sorry, but I dont get point of using an Obscure language like Clojure. Also how are they different from directed edge a YC funded start up. If they are doing predictive analysis/machine learning stuff, It makes sense to use Java, Python and C in that order since Java is what Hadoop is written in, while python and C allow very low dev time and latter provides extremely fast execution. Using an unproven second class la…

I'm not sure you're quite familiar with Clojure - Java interop is pretty easy. There are problems, as with any lisp-dialect interacting with C/Java. My scheme-based 3d game engine has, at its lowest level, what essentially looks procedural opengl. But you build layers around these (quite quickly) in the lisp of your choice. That said, I spoke with this team a bit ago, and they seem like they definitely know that they…

sorry but programming hacking/ data (not database) hacking are two different things.

I have met proud programmers who think that Maths/stats are shit.

Their aim as a company is to utilize the data collected by the website and build relevance models. Such models are mathematical models. thus its important which equations you come up with and now which language you use to write them.

The reason I suggest Python / C++ / Java even R is that there is an extremely huge codebase in those languages.

e.g. can you show me anything that matches capabilities of numpy scipy or R packages or the amazing code which is available on this website http://mloss.org/software/. in clojure.

When data is at heart of your startup your focus should the models and not some weird programming language ideals.

infact it tell me that they are: 1: Bunch of programmers who have no expertise in Data Mining / Predictive Analytics.

2: Language nazi's and confused bunch who put up stuff like we love ruby, we adore clojure and you must play counter strike.

A good example of a data based startup would be these people. http://www.cellixis.com/

By mentioning some stupid programming language in the whole discussion they have moved away from their core problem.

Re: Runa is hiring Clojure developers

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Post by plinkplonk »

icey wrote: post #17
plinkplonk wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

",no one outside HN gives a fuck about.. which programming language ideals you love in real life." Good developers (who they are trying to hire) do. This is a recruitment pitch. In that context , "language ideals" are important.

user: MADMEN created: 38 minutes ago Don't bother feeding the trolls.

Good advice. My troll radar is mostly off on HN and I assume good faith and lack of English as a first language.
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