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Post by vilmosi »

valuearb wrote: post #134
vilmosi wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>> I don't know how true this is, but I've heard that the Samsung OLED screen on the iPhone X is significantly better than the ones Samsung puts on it's flagship phones I can't believe that. I just can't. All iPhone X reviews mention the screen tech difference, all of them say how they don't notice a difference.

Most reviewers (and people) don't appreciate color fidelity. Jon Gruber was just talking about how Google spent the time/effort to make the colors of the Pixel display more accurate and natural, and then people complain they don't "pop" and look as good as the super-saturated colors on other android phones.

>>> Most reviewers (and people) don't appreciate color fidelity

It's not about "appreciating". It's that it doesn't matter. Everyone talked about retina resolution, then about "true colors".

Today we have Samsung making all the screens.

The point is, nobody except professionals care.

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Post by microcolonel »

rufugee wrote: post #118
mankash666 wrote: post #2

Truly impressive. Smaller, yet faster than the competition. Surprising how many of the chips are now internal Apple components: 1. CPU/GPU 2. Auxiliary Machine Learning/AI chip 3. NAND controller 4. IR Deapth sensor & signal processing chip 5. Power management IC (surprising that Apple is doing Analog IC design too!) Axiom in the tech world is that "Apple is a software company that builds hardware". Above is ample ev…

Typing this from a Pixel 2 XL after having been a happy Pixel XL owner. The 2 is truly the greatest phone I've ever owned, and that includes iphones along the way. If this is what you get with a software company building hardware, I'd say keep it up.

If iPhones ran today's Android, they would lead the pack; but because they run iOS, they're pretty MOR in terms of everyday performance and responsiveness (and perhaps especially disappointing WRT battery life). This is quite a role reversal from the situation five years ago.

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Post by computerex »

valuearb wrote: post #126
austenallred wrote: post #115

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I see it as the reverse. Apple is definitely a hardware company that makes a solid OS and generally makes mediocre software outside of that

Yea, but that OS is everything. They barely make any software outside of it. And it's the best mobile OS by far.

> And it's the best mobile OS by far.

And yet Android dominates the market share. I don't think iOS is the best mobile OS, let alone the best by far.

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Post by godzillabrennus »

DRW_ wrote: post #109
selectodude wrote: post #105

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Apple has been very serious about how they’re a hardware company vs a software company for like 30+ years now. Literally the first thing SPJ did after coming back was kill the Mac clones program. They’re obsessed with the feel of the hardware in every way. The software is just a platform.

Actually, Steve Jobs emphasised a few times that the reason why Apple was successful is because of the software. https://youtu.be/dEeyaAUCyZs

Judging from how bad the software is getting I’d wager they forgot this.

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Post by thevardanian »

DRW_ wrote: post #109
selectodude wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has been very serious about how they’re a hardware company vs a software company for like 30+ years now. Literally the first thing SPJ did after coming back was kill the Mac clones program. They’re obsessed with the feel of the hardware in every way. The software is just a platform.

Actually, Steve Jobs emphasised a few times that the reason why Apple was successful is because of the software. https://youtu.be/dEeyaAUCyZs

They're successful because of the software only because the hardware is ancillary to their software ecosystem. Their hardware makes their software run much more effectively than most of their competitors, and therefore acts as a major barrier to entry. I don't think there's a single tech company more completely integrated and whole than Apple. That's why they can emphasize on experience rather than just specs as they're selling more than just software, or hardware.

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Post by fermienrico »

stock_toaster wrote: post #123
fermienrico wrote: post #90

The SIM card holder's size shows its age. It is literally as big as the A11 package. Such archaic things need to evolve or disappear. What's the status on electronic SIM? We don't need a piece of plastic that holds a numeric key and takes up EXPENSIVE real-estate in one of the most densely packed electronic devices in the world. Apple doesn't have the leverage to sway the standards?

> don't need a piece of plastic that holds a numeric key Doesn't a SIM include a small micro-controller and firmware (ref#1)? It isn't just a numeric key holder. In addition, wouldn't having an apple designed electronic SIM reduce what 3rd party firmware (hardware SIM card) is running on their devices? Seems like a good deal to me. ref#1: https://www.slideshare.net/c.enrique.ortiz/sim-card-overview

It doesn’t matter. My argument still stands regardless of what’s inside the chip holder and the card. The point is - it’s a relatively simple thing compared to the complexity of the rest of the phone. It needs to be eradicated.

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Post by enraged_camel »

rufugee wrote: post #118
mankash666 wrote: post #2

Truly impressive. Smaller, yet faster than the competition. Surprising how many of the chips are now internal Apple components: 1. CPU/GPU 2. Auxiliary Machine Learning/AI chip 3. NAND controller 4. IR Deapth sensor & signal processing chip 5. Power management IC (surprising that Apple is doing Analog IC design too!) Axiom in the tech world is that "Apple is a software company that builds hardware". Above is ample ev…

Typing this from a Pixel 2 XL after having been a happy Pixel XL owner. The 2 is truly the greatest phone I've ever owned, and that includes iphones along the way. If this is what you get with a software company building hardware, I'd say keep it up.

Once again, anecdotal evidence is not data.

We have confirmed reports that Pixel 2's build quality is... questionable:

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/10/google-is-investigat...

edit: keep downvoting. You can't change the facts :)

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Post by tinus_hn »

devonkim wrote: post #129
hinkley wrote: post #53

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> Power management IC (surprising that Apple is doing Analog IC design too!) Have you seen the tear down of the old MacBook power bricks? Check it out if you haven’t. There’s a lot of tech in there to improve efficiency (ie keep that tiny brick from melting)

And despite all that engineering their reliability was terrible due to various plug design problems with the predecessor to MagSafe or the cords getting damaged from point stress. Meanwhile, Dell and HP make mediocre stuff that somehow hardly has such a problem by using much thicker gauge wiring and tougher rubber / plastics.

Dell power supplies, cables, receptacles and batteries fail all the time and I've seen the docking station connectors burn from shorts.

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Post by DRW_ »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #144
DRW_ wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, Steve Jobs emphasised a few times that the reason why Apple was successful is because of the software. https://youtu.be/dEeyaAUCyZs

Judging from how bad the software is getting I’d wager they forgot this.

Yeah, I'd agree unfortunately.
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