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1900s ID Cards That Kept Trans People Safe from Harassment

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Re: 1900s ID Cards That Kept Trans People Safe from Harassment

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Post by irrational »

Pixeleen wrote: post #9

There is a field in state IDs and US passport files for previous names. It is ostensibly there for maiden names or fraudsters. Countless times it has outed me as a transsexual, and causes me to face harassment from cops or ICE agents.

I'm curious, what are you doing that cops are looking up your information so often? Is this from being pulled over for traffic violations? I'm struggling to think of the last time I had any interaction with someone who wanted to see an ID from me. Maybe I just don't get out often enough ;-)

Re: 1900s ID Cards That Kept Trans People Safe from Harassment

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Post by im3w1l »

lcfcjs2 wrote: post #6
akhilcacharya wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And pray tell, what is that reason and how is it related to this article?

Persecution of minorities, due to ethnicity or sexual orientation, is becoming particularly strong in modern day United States. This relates to this article because it talks about how trans people were intentionally "kept safe". Now pray tell, why do you think bringing up comparisons between two persecuting nations is so wrong?

The big question I think is why we compare US with Weimar and not any other two countries.

The US is not the most oppressive one to sexual minorities.

And there have been thousands of countries throughout history and most of them have persecuted minorities. So out of them why do we pick Weimar?

To me it seems to be a case of cherry picking to support a desired conclusion.

Re: 1900s ID Cards That Kept Trans People Safe from Harassment

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Post by nilved »

irrational wrote: post #11
Pixeleen wrote: post #9

There is a field in state IDs and US passport files for previous names. It is ostensibly there for maiden names or fraudsters. Countless times it has outed me as a transsexual, and causes me to face harassment from cops or ICE agents.

I'm curious, what are you doing that cops are looking up your information so often? Is this from being pulled over for traffic violations? I'm struggling to think of the last time I had any interaction with someone who wanted to see an ID from me. Maybe I just don't get out often enough ;-)

Are you white?

Re: 1900s ID Cards That Kept Trans People Safe from Harassment

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Post by ythn »

Pixeleen wrote: post #9

There is a field in state IDs and US passport files for previous names. It is ostensibly there for maiden names or fraudsters. Countless times it has outed me as a transsexual, and causes me to face harassment from cops or ICE agents.

On the flip side, it would be much easier to change identities if you didn't have to list previous names which would be heavily abused by criminals, etc.

Re: 1900s ID Cards That Kept Trans People Safe from Harassment

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Post by rexpop »

irrational wrote: post #11
Pixeleen wrote: post #9

There is a field in state IDs and US passport files for previous names. It is ostensibly there for maiden names or fraudsters. Countless times it has outed me as a transsexual, and causes me to face harassment from cops or ICE agents.

I'm curious, what are you doing that cops are looking up your information so often? Is this from being pulled over for traffic violations? I'm struggling to think of the last time I had any interaction with someone who wanted to see an ID from me. Maybe I just don't get out often enough ;-)

Your lack of experience does not matter, in this conversation: your comment reads as a victim-blaming apology for state violence.

Re: 1900s ID Cards That Kept Trans People Safe from Harassment

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Post by rexpop »

ythn wrote: post #14
Pixeleen wrote: post #9

There is a field in state IDs and US passport files for previous names. It is ostensibly there for maiden names or fraudsters. Countless times it has outed me as a transsexual, and causes me to face harassment from cops or ICE agents.

On the flip side, it would be much easier to change identities if you didn't have to list previous names which would be heavily abused by criminals, etc.

It would? I wonder.

Re: 1900s ID Cards That Kept Trans People Safe from Harassment

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Post by Pixeleen »

irrational wrote: post #11
Pixeleen wrote: post #9

There is a field in state IDs and US passport files for previous names. It is ostensibly there for maiden names or fraudsters. Countless times it has outed me as a transsexual, and causes me to face harassment from cops or ICE agents.

I'm curious, what are you doing that cops are looking up your information so often? Is this from being pulled over for traffic violations? I'm struggling to think of the last time I had any interaction with someone who wanted to see an ID from me. Maybe I just don't get out often enough ;-)

Actually, it was only once with a cop in recent memory, and yes it was for a traffic violation.

I am a frequent international traveller as well.

In neither circumstance should what the computer has about my previous genitals come into play. I write that I am a transsexual here for simplicity, but I am not "trans". That is not who I am. I am a woman, not a woman with an asterisk.

Re: 1900s ID Cards That Kept Trans People Safe from Harassment

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Post by rexpop »

arkona2 wrote: post #10

Seems like Hacker News is being co-opted by people with an agenda. I see more and more of these off-topic articles popping up on the front page

Really? Above this is a story about a dog astronaut.

More of us handle gender via bureaucracy than handle canine rocket science.

Re: 1900s ID Cards That Kept Trans People Safe from Harassment

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Post by shiohime »

arkona2 wrote: post #10

Seems like Hacker News is being co-opted by people with an agenda. I see more and more of these off-topic articles popping up on the front page

lol this and so many other articles aren't even remotely related to development. Literally off topic according to the site guidelines.

Re: 1900s ID Cards That Kept Trans People Safe from Harassment

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Post by ythn »

Pixeleen wrote: post #17
irrational wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious, what are you doing that cops are looking up your information so often? Is this from being pulled over for traffic violations? I'm struggling to think of the last time I had any interaction with someone who wanted to see an ID from me. Maybe I just don't get out often enough ;-)

Actually, it was only once with a cop in recent memory, and yes it was for a traffic violation. I am a frequent international traveller as well. In neither circumstance should what the computer has about my previous genitals come into play. I write that I am a transsexual here for simplicity, but I am not "trans". That is not who I am. I am a woman, not a woman with an asterisk.

> I am a woman, not a woman with an asterisk.

I think the information the asterisk conveys is important. For example, I don't think trans women should be allowed to compete against cis women in sports on even terms since it is physiologically unfair.

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