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Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by gspetr »

breakingcups wrote: post #105
leereeves wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's much more than a statistical anomaly. It's a rather large group of people, some quite famous and powerful. Lea DeLaria: "Or pick up a baseball bat and take out every f-cking republican and independent I see" Madonna: "I’ve thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House." Mickey Rourke: "I’ll meet [Trump] in a hotel room any motherf-cking day of the week and give him a Louisville slugger." Bow Wow: "@realD…

No please. There's enough room to discuss incidents of actual violence. I'd like to see them, backed up by sources. It would be interesting to compare statistics. 7 celebrities talking shit does not equate a massive, unified, violent left-wing movement in the US with conspiracy-like powers and tactics to censor the right. I think the right is pretty well represented in the US.

How about this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy

EDIT: Twitter literally suppressed the leaks of DNC and Podesta emails hashtags and admitted to it:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-01/twitter-admits-it-b...

https://www.lgraham.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/4766f54d-...

Is that conspiracy enough for you?

How about this:

On October 31, 2016, The New York Times reported: "CNN has severed ties with the Democratic strategist Donna Brazile, after hacked e-mails from WikiLeaks showed that she shared questions for CNN-sponsored candidate events in advance with friends on Hillary Clinton's campaign."

And that's just off the top of my head.

EDIT 2: Can you explain how all these very similar headlines were possible without there being a conspiracy? And yes, those are real, I saw it when it happened.

https://pics.onsizzle.com/headlines-think-the-media-got-the-...

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by gspetr »

oblio wrote: post #127
arkh wrote: post #88

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All of America's neonazis would probably fit in a 200sqm hall, with room to spare. Why worry about a statistical anomaly? Just because they have Voat accounts? :)

As an outsider, I don't see the far left having an influence on American politics. The far right, on the other hand, does seem to have one. Or am I mistaken?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_...

A literal socialist reaching 43.1% of votes not influential enough?

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by dragonwriter »

gspetr wrote: post #152
oblio wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an outsider, I don't see the far left having an influence on American politics. The far right, on the other hand, does seem to have one. Or am I mistaken?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_... A literal socialist reaching 43.1% of votes not influential enough?

American democratic socialists like Sanders aren't far left, and are really more social democrats than “literal socialists”. (Sure, DSA is part of international socialist fora, but so is the UK Labour Party, and no one sane is calling Labour “far left” either.)

Someone, therefore, from the moderate left getting a sizable minority of votes within the left-most party of a two-party system where the most votes in that party went to a center-right neoliberal is not evidence of the far left having much (or any) influence, especially when it's the best anyone not from the center-right has done in that party for at least a quarter century.

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by gspetr »

dragonwriter wrote: post #153
gspetr wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_... A literal socialist reaching 43.1% of votes not influential enough?

American democratic socialists like Sanders aren't far left, and are really more social democrats than “literal socialists”. (Sure, DSA is part of international socialist fora, but so is the UK Labour Party, and no one sane is calling Labour “far left” either.) Someone, therefore, from the moderate left getting a sizable minority of votes within the left-most party of a two-party system where the most votes in that p…

The man literally visits Soviet Union as his idea of honeymoon after his wedding.

There's circumstantial evidence he was even a Stalinist at one point: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sanders+stalinist+kibbutz

You do realize how closely your argument resembles a "No True Scotsman" in this case, yes?

Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."

Person B: "But my uncle Angus likes sugar with his porridge."

Person A: "Ah yes, but no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."

EDIT: Here he is, calling himself a socialist without any qualifiers in 1989: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_QLek6Qvzg

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by arca_vorago »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #97
arca_vorago wrote: post #83

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That's because your governments constitution is viciously flawed compared to Americas, in which a system was established on the idea that we have rights independent of government and the government is only there to protect those rights, and may not infringe those rights. The argument isn't let any particular $hatedgroupofthemoment speak... the argument is that you have no right to presume yourself or anyone else to h…

I honestly think your comment would be much stronger if it didn't start with the viciously flawed comparison. It was emotionally difficult for me to get past that first sentence. I otherwise agree the US Constitution, in theory is, potential, exceptionally powerful.

You are right but by the time I started dwelling on it was too late to edit. Sorry, that's something I'm working on (being less abrasive).

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by timrichard »

keganunderwood wrote: post #89
hkmurakami wrote: post #72

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? The "appropriate" size and role of the federal government is still a very worthwhile and earnest point of debate, and that is a classic left/right issue.

Sorry but nobody is for small government. Nobody is for a balanced budget. It is a farce. We all have two piles: a. Things we want the government to do b. Things we don't If you're for a balanced budget, you'll oppose current tax cut plans and demand government cut spending. The problem is of course where do we cut spending? Find me a dollar of "waste" and I'll show you someone who benefits from it. Can we please sto…

> Find me a dollar of "waste" and I'll show you someone who benefits from it.

I expect others who've also worked on Government projects would find that as preposterous as I do.

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by ajuc »

dmichulke wrote: post #148
ajuc wrote: post #57

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It's not "who", it's "what". Instigating violence is forbidden for one example. Defamation too. Nazism is based on belief that some ethnicities are to be blamed for all evil in the world (defamation), and proposes to deal with that by one ethnicity exterminating or enslaving the others (instigation of violence). Does it really surprise you it's forbidden in many countries, and many websites doesn't want to have it pr…

> Instigating violence is forbidden For good reason! But I don't get why you criticize the fact that there are > nazis promoting themselves on twitter What I'm trying to say here is that you should criticize if they do something bad (violence, threat of violence, ...) but not when they promote themselves (which is totally legal).

Promoting nazism is promoting violence.

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by archagon »

hkmurakami wrote: post #69
mosselman wrote: post #59

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Without sources for any of your claims (GOP supporters fearing an outing, CEO that would fire Trump voters) your comment comes over as a way to incite a heated discussion here, AKA trolling.

For the former, a sibling commenter has provided a HN discussion regarding a CNN article with a 10+ minute interview with people who are being interviewed with a voice changer for fear of being outed. Regarding the latter, here's Grubhub's CEO calling for Trump voters to resign: The CEO of Grubhub, an online food delivery service, sent a company wide email Wednesday suggesting employees who agree with President-elect…

Not supporting Trump — supporting his behaviors and campaign rhetoric. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to tell people who support attacks on Gold Star families or Hispanic judges to reconsider their place of work. That goes way beyond a difference of opinion.

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by oblio »

gspetr wrote: post #154
dragonwriter wrote: post #153

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American democratic socialists like Sanders aren't far left, and are really more social democrats than “literal socialists”. (Sure, DSA is part of international socialist fora, but so is the UK Labour Party, and no one sane is calling Labour “far left” either.) Someone, therefore, from the moderate left getting a sizable minority of votes within the left-most party of a two-party system where the most votes in that p…

The man literally visits Soviet Union as his idea of honeymoon after his wedding. There's circumstantial evidence he was even a Stalinist at one point: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sanders+stalinist+kibbutz You do realize how closely your argument resembles a "No True Scotsman" in this case, yes? Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge." Person B: "But my uncle Angus likes sugar with his porridge." Person A: "…

Were any policies he actually proposed socialists?

1. People can change.

2. People might moderate their actions when faced with reality (heck, even Trump does/is forced to).

From what I remember back when he was campaigning, most things he was proposing would definitely fall under socialist-democrat in Europe.

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by dragonwriter »

gspetr wrote: post #154
dragonwriter wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

American democratic socialists like Sanders aren't far left, and are really more social democrats than “literal socialists”. (Sure, DSA is part of international socialist fora, but so is the UK Labour Party, and no one sane is calling Labour “far left” either.) Someone, therefore, from the moderate left getting a sizable minority of votes within the left-most party of a two-party system where the most votes in that p…

The man literally visits Soviet Union as his idea of honeymoon after his wedding. There's circumstantial evidence he was even a Stalinist at one point: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sanders+stalinist+kibbutz You do realize how closely your argument resembles a "No True Scotsman" in this case, yes? Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge." Person B: "But my uncle Angus likes sugar with his porridge." Person A: "…

Sanders is certainly a socialist by some definitions; and there are certainly definitions of socialism by which it is exclusively a far-left ideology.

The problem is that they aren't the same definitions, and the game being played of pretending that they are is the fallacy of equivocation.

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