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Most of the colors on that display have a rationale. For example, on the speed tape on the left, the white, green, and yellow colors all map to colors of a standard airspeed indicator. That the course (CRS) is green instantly tells me I'm navigating by a ground-based VOR, not GPS (which would be magenta). Same with the green diamond on the right by the altitude indicator. The waypoints at the top are all GPS-calculat…
Do you have any opinion on the G1000 (and subsequent Garmin flight decks) vs competitors, such as Avidyne Entegra? My feeling has always been that the Garmin UI was somewhat clunky and suboptimal, possibly because they tried to keep it similar to the UI of previous smaller devices (such as the GNS 430); a bit like if the iPhone hadn't come along and we'd still scroll by putting our finger on a little arrow in a scrol…
USS McCain collision ultimately caused by UI confusion
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Re: USS McCain collision ultimately caused by UI confusion
#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yep, but that freeze is limited with more training, and mixed watches when teh newbs have to be rotated in for the real thing so the "hold my beer" guys aren't outnumbered 10 to 1 by the frozen folks.
I can't believe these watchstanders had the LOK they should have had on the steering system, or every one involved in ship control would have been able to immediately identify the problem and realign the steering system, other than bmow. I don't think the senior watch team had their st either, or the orders to prepare to take manual control of the steering and propulsion system aft would have immediately been out. Al…
UI doesn't cover mass confusion -> panic over critical loss of control that had NOT been lost. They heard hoofbeats and decided it was zebras, not horses.
Re: USS McCain collision ultimately caused by UI confusion
#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which presumably drives a turbine to make electric which can run motors, charge batteries, run scrubbers, run heaters, etc., presumably. They're not direct driving the screw with steam power from the reactor heat-exchange, surely.
It's hard to find anything like a schematic of a Nimitz-class carrier for obvious reasons, but as far as I can tell yes, it's all directly steam powered. The reactor boils (sea)water, which is used to power 4 steam turbines[1][2][3], those turbines drive the propellers. You've probably seen aircraft carrier decks covered in smoke. This is because the Nimitz's catapult system is directly steam powered, service steam i…
Re: USS McCain collision ultimately caused by UI confusion
#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
Automotive "climate control" has been around since the mid-60s, and the controls of the early versions were also far more straightforward; basically, one knob for temperature and another for turning the system on/off at various settings. Here's one from 1973: http://i44.servimg.com/u/f44/16/54/79/13/1973_c12.jpg
I had no idea that automatic climate control (i.e. user just sets the target temperature) dates back to 1970, because it was not a standard option for low/mid-price cars yet in 90s (at least in Finland). Heck, my parents bought a Toyota Corolla in 2003 with no automatic climate control. Fascinating to see it implemented with old-style analogous controls. Same for 6-way power seat.
Re: USS McCain collision ultimately caused by UI confusion
#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nothing I see in that article (or anything else I've seen about the incident) attributes it to a UI issue. Not all errors made by users are the fault of the UI.
You're right: nothing in that article mentions the UI. I learned about the incident in my computer ethics class in college (along with Therac-25, etc). Quickly-skimming, it looks like Cracked has a decent writeup of the UI issue specifically [1]. [1] http://www.cracked.com/article_19776_6-disasters-caused-by-p...
> The screen showed the operator what objects were detected on radar, and if he clicked on an object, it would track it. But if the operator wanted to get more information about the object (in this case, by listening in on its radio signals) to find out what it actually was, he had to move a separate cursor and click on the object again.
> It's clumsy and unintuitive, and it made it really easy to forget which thing they were highlighting at any given moment -- the operator can be tracking one object and have it display the information for a completely different one because he forgot to move the other cursor. It's the kind of user interface that wouldn't make it out of the testing phase of a cheap browser game. And it cost the passengers of the plane their lives.
> That's because the operator in the USS Vincennes thought he was listening to the incoming aircraft (the Airbus full of innocent people), because that's the thing he selected, when he was actually receiving signals from a parked F-14 several miles away, because that's where his other cursor was.
> Granted, the transmissions alone wouldn't be reason enough to shoot down a plane: They'd also have to think that it was moving like an enemy aircraft. Unfortunately, the stupid system made that mistake pretty easy, too. Instead of telling the operators at the Vincennes if the approaching plane was ascending or descending, the system just showed them the present altitude on a smaller monitor. The operator had to write down or memorize the altitude, wait a few seconds, then ask again and mentally compare the two results to see if the aircraft was going up or going down.
> Because of this, a calculation error led an operator to report that the Airbus was descending toward the USS Vincennes, like a combat aircraft would, when it was probably getting the hell away from them as fast as possible.
Re: USS McCain collision ultimately caused by UI confusion
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can't believe these watchstanders had the LOK they should have had on the steering system, or every one involved in ship control would have been able to immediately identify the problem and realign the steering system, other than bmow. I don't think the senior watch team had their st either, or the orders to prepare to take manual control of the steering and propulsion system aft would have immediately been out. Al…
There's a lot of acronyms in there. LOK = Level of knowledge? BMOW = Boatswain's Mate Of the Watch ST = ? Not "Subject to" or "Such that" as I've seen. CPA = Collision Prevention Assist in automotive systems, but maybe not here?
CPA = closest point of approach.
CPA is calculated for anything close ahead of time, but only if both you and another ship are moving in a straight line. Which the McCain wasn't.
Re: USS McCain collision ultimately caused by UI confusion
#297The Navy's investigation found that both collisions were avoidable accidents. And in the case of the USS McCain, the accident was in part caused by an error made in switching which control console on the ship's bridge had steering control So, basically this was a reprise of the AF 447 crash at sea, where lack of clear command authority combined with a maddeningly poorly-thought-out UI resulted in a serious accident w…
>So, basically this was a reprise of the AF 447 crash at sea, where lack of clear command authority combined with a maddeningly poorly-thought-out UI resulted in a serious accident with loss of life. I don't want to take this off on a tangent, but this theory of the AF 447 crash keeps getting repeated online despite the fact that the accident report did not conclude that the UI was a factor. If it's got to the point…
This is incorrect. The BEA report explicitly blames the lack of an AoA display and recommends that an AoA indicator be directly visible to the pilots. The aircraft already has sensors to measure AoA to feed the flight computers; asking for a direct readout of AoA is nothing beyond a UI change recommendation (and not fundamental aircraft re-engineering):
> It is essential in order to ensure flight safety to reduce the angle of attack when a stall is imminent. Only a direct readout of the angle of attack could enable crews to rapidly identify the aerodynamic situation of the aeroplane and take the actions that may be required.
The AoA invalidation logic ("mark AoA measurements as invalid if airspeed is less than 60kt") made the stall warning turn off as the stall became even deeper, making diagnosis of the stall more complicated. Worse, the BEA report states that the appropriate (nose down) control input led to the stall warning reactivating (since such an input would increase airspeed above the 60kt threshold -- inherent to a proper stall recovery), leading the pilot flying to reverse their control inputs and return the aircraft into a worse stall:
> A few seconds after the transition to alternate law, the stall warning sounded briefly, even though the PF’s inputs should have made this warning sound for several seconds. The reason for this is the drop in the measured airspeeds, some of which fell temporarily to below 60 kt, while the angle of attack reached 40°. Furthermore, the drop in measured airspeeds to values of less than 60 kt during the stall caused the repeated activation and deactivation of the warning which may have made it considerably more difficult for the Captain to effectively analyse the situation on his return to the cockpit.
> Several nose-down inputs caused a drop in the pitch attitude and the angle of attack, whose values then became valid, such that a clear nose-down input resulted in the triggering of the stall warning. It appears that the PF reacted, on at least two occasions, with a nose-up input, whose consequences were an increase in angle of attack, a drop in measured speed and consequently stopping the stall warning.
Lacking an AoA readout, the pilots would have had to reverse-engineer AoA from their extant instrument displays, the warnings they were presented, the "feel" of the airplane (is it buffeting? how is it responding to various control inputs?, etc), and past control inputs. Every one of those sources were degraded per the BEA report: they didn't trust (to the point of changing the selected inertial data source even if there was no indicated issue with inertial data) their instruments because of the airspeed inconsistency, the stall warning would reactivate every time they made the correct control input (the exact opposite behaviour of a stall warning simply based on an AoA threshold), and buffet might have been interpreted as overspeed buffet.
Expecting pilots to reverse-engineer the aircraft's warnings to guesstimate AoA -- a value that the machinery simultaneously measures and hides from the pilots -- is fatally bad UI (BEA uses the fancier term "ergonomics"), especially in cases when the flight computers deal with air data inconsistencies by forking over more authority to the pilots.
Re: USS McCain collision ultimately caused by UI confusion
#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've never heard the tunnel analogy. Seems odd, since tunnels generally only have one entrance and one exit... In a lot of fields where the stakes are high and mistakes are costly (aviation and emergency services are the two I'm most familiar with) the analogy used is a chain. Break any link in the chain and you prevent the event. https://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/inst_reports2.cfm?arti...
> I've never heard the tunnel analogy. Seems odd, since tunnels generally only have one entrance and one exit... Road and train tunnels have many emergency exits...
Re: USS McCain collision ultimately caused by UI confusion
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know which one is more bizzare here - the story itself, or the barrage of "this is due to bad UX" comments in this thread. So I guess if this warship fired all its rockets away, "due to bad UX", and destroyed a small nation, I guess the comments would also be about a bad UX. Oh crumbs, the "check status" button was so close to the "start armageddon" button. Perhaps we should submit a meek complaint to Microso…
I think that's the real point. The ship in question is by far not the largest and should be more agile than most ships that go through these waters. How can ferries and tankers easily master this every day and the Navy is not? If they cannot figure out how to solve a situation like this within 2 minutes, how would they react to enemy fire or being attacked by another ship?
Re: USS McCain collision ultimately caused by UI confusion
#300Maybe I’m too late or too simplistic, but why do ships and aircrafts have so complex control systems in normal functioning modes at all? Why can’t layman ship commander like me just tell the system to be “there” in specific time via hand-drawn or standard route? If my engines malfunctioning, or steering lost it is one thing, but if everything is okay, can’t a simple swipe-to-sail iphone app just coordinate all ship c…
Although I think ship control can definitely be made more user-friendly, what you are asking for is of similar complexity as a self-driving car.