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Post by arkh »

oblio wrote: post #127
arkh wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of America's neonazis would probably fit in a 200sqm hall, with room to spare. Why worry about a statistical anomaly? Just because they have Voat accounts? :)

As an outsider, I don't see the far left having an influence on American politics. The far right, on the other hand, does seem to have one. Or am I mistaken?

They sure have some influence on medias. Also, a lot of events thought as right-leaning get disturbed: MRA conventions, speech from "not the right people" in gaming conventions etc. which have security prices jacked-up because of bomb threats, fire alarm pulled to interrupt it. Also you get the antifa violence which everyone seem to have forgotten.

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by lsmarigo »

leereeves wrote: post #55
andybak wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Viewing US political culture from outside makes this even more entertaining. It appears to many people in Europe to be mostly two center-right/right groups calling each other nasty names. Of course the standard left/right dichotomy is a historical accident and contingent on many local factors. And yet we continue to reify it as if it were some Platonic truth.

America's extreme leftists (AKA SJWs) aren't center-right. They want socialism, they want to silence everyone who disagrees with them, they are willing to use any tactic (including censorship and even violence) to get what they want, and yet, in a startling lack of self-awareness, they consider the center-right half of the country "Nazis". This attempted act of censorship by an ex-Twitter employee is a fairly tame ex…

The narrative you describe in your post is largely fabricated to rally, enrage and indoctrinate individuals.

It's disheartening how deeply the "us vs. them" mindset dominates our politics. You used the term "they" or "them" seven times in your short post. Seven. Who are they? A few trolls on twitter does not equal a meaningful movement. Categorizing half of the American populace based on the views/actions of fringe nutjobs is absurd and not conducive to meaningful discourse.

Having a slang term for "them" (SJW) implies that it's a such a common issue that people face daily, when in reality it's a strawman argument largely fabricated by organizations interested in keeping you squabbling vs examining their policies.

You go on to say "attempted act of censorship by an ex-Twitter employee is a fairly tame example of their tactics" "Their Tactics" as if this incident was part of a master plan orchestrated by a shadowy far-left extremist org. This is pizza-gate levels of delusion.

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by zimpenfish »

nodesocket wrote: post #36
mankash666 wrote: post #2

This article shines light on the power bestowed upon Twitter employees. They can randomly deactivate one's account, and unless you're the president, you might not have any recourse. Particularly worrisome is the general left leaning political and social affiliation of such employees. We are an era of systemic censorship of right leaning speech by popular internet platforms. I'm personally center left, but in no way d…

I'll give a very personal account. I was in the past harassed on Twitter. I received death threats and users were giving out my phone number and address to other Twitter users via DM. I filed an official complaint, and Twitter's response was this is not harassment, we won't do anything. I am pretty sure because of my political views the Twitter support representative decided they didn't like me. The hypocrisy, bias,…

> Twitter's response was this is not harassment, we won't do anything. I am pretty sure because of my political views

Given Twitter's utter inability to deal with harassment at all, I'd suggest it wasn't anything to do with your political views at all. They're just that shit.

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by zimpenfish »

product50 wrote: post #98
nodesocket wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll give a very personal account. I was in the past harassed on Twitter. I received death threats and users were giving out my phone number and address to other Twitter users via DM. I filed an official complaint, and Twitter's response was this is not harassment, we won't do anything. I am pretty sure because of my political views the Twitter support representative decided they didn't like me. The hypocrisy, bias,…

The only fact in your statement is that you received threats. Rest is all your interpretation which suits your argument especially how Twitter didn't look into your matter because of your political inclination. I am surprised that Twitter didn't react more strongly especially given your claim that you received death threats on the platform. Maybe there is something missing here too?

> I am surprised that Twitter didn't react more strongly especially given your claim that you received death threats on the platform.

They don't care. Many people get death threats on Twitter a day with no action from the Safety Team (see the replies to their "We're humans too and doing the best we can!" from last month.)

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by koonsolo »

maccard wrote: post #109
koonsolo wrote: post #62

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I don't understand why you are getting downvoted. Stalin killed millions of soviets. All central and eastern european countries can testify how terrible it was when communists invanded their countries and took everything from them, including all posessions and freedom. When my mother in law (who always lived in Slovakia) was in Belgium, we saw a guy with a soviet hammer and sickle t-shirt. She was shocked why anyone…

Nazism [0] is broadly defined as fascism with: > Usually characterized as a form of fascism that incorporates scientific racism and antisemitism Communism [1] is broadly defined as > which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production The issue that people have with Nazis is mostly the systematic racism. A better comparison is fascism to communism, which is a broader politic…

> If you compare a modern day Marxist to a modern day Nazi it would be a better comparison

I fail to see the difference. One wants to take away the freedom of all (except the party members), while the other the freedom of some.

Mao and Stalin were responsible for about 75mil deaths, Hitler 17mil.

Defending either seems very wrong to me. So either you censor both, or you censor none.

And for my personal opinion, I would censor none, because I believe in freedom of speech.

Neither one of the 2 ideologies above had freedom of speech. And I believe that's why all the Marxists think it's OK to censor Nazi's, but not themselves.

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by croon »

sumedh wrote: post #73
te_chris wrote: post #56

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No, it’s to stop the flow of sewerage into the water supply. Stop pretending Trump is some sort of rational participant in a Gentleman’s debate.

Looks like you have not heard of this saying "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

That makes sense if both parties in the debate has a valid, thought out but opposite argument.

This is not that case.

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by dmichulke »

ajuc wrote: post #57
dmichulke wrote: post #30

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So "promoting themselves" is an action that should only allowed to a subset of people? If so to whom and how to you identify those people?

It's not "who", it's "what". Instigating violence is forbidden for one example. Defamation too. Nazism is based on belief that some ethnicities are to be blamed for all evil in the world (defamation), and proposes to deal with that by one ethnicity exterminating or enslaving the others (instigation of violence). Does it really surprise you it's forbidden in many countries, and many websites doesn't want to have it pr…

> Instigating violence is forbidden

For good reason! But I don't get why you criticize the fact that there are

> nazis promoting themselves on twitter

What I'm trying to say here is that you should criticize if they do something bad (violence, threat of violence, ...) but not when they promote themselves (which is totally legal).

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by notacoward »

feborges wrote: post #140

I am surprised at how many cynical people think that asking for Trump to be removed from Twitter has anything to do with censorship or violation of first amendment rights. Twitter is a private business and its content is controlled by the company itself. If Twitter comes to the point when they would delete Trump's account, that would be the equivalent of kicking him out of your house. It is your house, your rules. Ri…

> It is your house, your rules.

Spot on. The first amendment prohibits government from limiting speech. It does not require private parties to allow arbitrary speech, let alone to broadcast it. One could argue that social media should be regulated as public utilities, subject to rules (but still not first amendment) about what speech must or must not be allowed. I happen to disagree, but even if I agreed it hasn't happened yet and even if it happened it would still be commerce clause rather than first amendment.

> Right wingers tend to conveniently bend the borderline between public and private whenever it benefits them.

So much this. Conservatives and libertarians constantly complain about environmental or financial regulation, but when it comes to "too big to fail" bailouts or stealing taxpayer money to provide free infrastructure (of all kinds) for big business they're mostly silent. Sure, there are always a few who speak up, but "not all libertarians" in economics is a lot like "not all men" in gender relations. It's an excuse, a mere fig leaf of concern that doesn't really conceal a generally neo-feudalist agenda.

P.S. I see some of the snowflakes are taking advantage of the "censorship" options here on HN to downvote, thus essentially proving my point.

Re: Twitter employee deactivates Trump account

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Post by gspetr »

oblio wrote: post #68
leereeves wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America's extreme leftists (AKA SJWs) aren't center-right. They want socialism, they want to silence everyone who disagrees with them, they are willing to use any tactic (including censorship and even violence) to get what they want, and yet, in a startling lack of self-awareness, they consider the center-right half of the country "Nazis". This attempted act of censorship by an ex-Twitter employee is a fairly tame ex…

All of America's extreme leftists would probably fit in a 200sqm hall, with room to spare. Why worry about a statistical anomaly? Just because they have Tumblr accounts? :) (For the downvoters, prove me wrong, how many votes did a far left party get in US elections in the past 20 years? Does the US even have a far left party? :) )

Can you fit 200 000 subs of https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/ in a 200sqm hall?

Can you fit all his voters there?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_sanders

His wiki mentions "socialist" 35 times. Is that not leftist enough for you?

There's circumstantial evidence that he was even a Stalinist at one point: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=sanders+stalinist+kibbutz

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