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Why Amsterdam Works So Well for Bikes

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Re: Why Amsterdam Works So Well for Bikes

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Amsterdam has plenty of suburbs, they just look different from US suburbs because of the different land-use and planning approach that they have in the Netherlands. Interestingly, Amsterdam actually does have urban freeways, though they run in a ring a couple miles out rather than right through the urban center. But they've also invested a lot in their train network and most people commute that way. I wish I had more…

> Amsterdam has plenty of suburbs, they just look different from US suburbs because of the different land-use and planning approach that they have in the Netherlands. > But they've also invested a lot in their train network and most people commute that way. Most people in say D.C. don't commute by train not because D.C. hasn't invested enough in it, but because the suburbs "look different." D.C., for example, has inv…

So what do you think the solution actually is?

I think the solution is a combination of: 1) further uber-ification, 2) further bike/walking lane improvement, 3) further investment into trains, despite the problems you speak of now

1) I think more people should become Uber drivers (if not Uber, gov't should make an Uber-like app). Not necessarily for the money (although it is nice), but because of the ecological reasons. One of the great Uber-driver features is: you can set direction to go home, and have Uber-riders that are only going along this direction. I live in Boston suburbs, my roundtrip commute to work is about 3 hours. Picking up strangers along the way without losing a lot of time, I save the environment a little bit (less cars on the road) and make the roads less clogged. This is the technological benefit... an app that can intelligently connect riders going the same path (the olden days of finding car-sharing buddies in Craigslist et al was too difficult.. and going around posting flyers at workplace asking who here has somewhat the same commute is too much of a hassle both logistically and socially).

2) I used to park my car at a parking garage and then use a bike for last 10% of the commute (because the last 10% of the commute was actually the part that cost the most time... in Brookline where traffic was hell). I stopped doing that, even though I would save a lot of time because it's really terrifying, I swear I genuinely believe I would have been dead if I had kept doing it for 2 years more. My colleague got in an accident only last week (when he was walking home from work in Winthrop)... he broke BOTH of his legs. Too many people I know are dying or getting seriously injured when biking/walking.

3) You bring up good points about investment in train/bus infrastructure not being worth it in various part of US. But most of Boston and its suburbs are getting more and more crowded... it is starting to build UP (lots of highrises everywhere being recently built) and built across. What I'm getting at is, the US is growing (or rather, at least the big cities are starting to have more concentrated and more dense population hot spots), it does make sense to start investing NOW for infrastructure that will last us decades to come.

Re: Why Amsterdam Works So Well for Bikes

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> (am a biker, love biking, only commute by bike to work 3 months of the year) Living somewhere where I commute by bike (or run!) every single workday, I'm curious as to what limits you to 3 months.

Weather. Boston for example has three months that the casual commuter would find tolerable.

But that's not because of the weather, but rather what the conditions are of the bike infrastructure in that weather. I think Amsterdam weather isn't very substantially different from Boston's... but in Boston winter weather bike lanes are practically un-existent when snow-plowing trucks have cleared the snow for cars to the area where bike lane would be (if it even exists to begin with).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amsterdam#Climate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston#Climate

Re: Why Amsterdam Works So Well for Bikes

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I have been that tourist. It takes a few to adjust to the heavy bicycle traffic while walking around there because it challenges the "who-goes-first" hierarchy. The states: Cars go first, and watch out. Norway (Trondheim): Pretty much walk where you will, others will stop. Amsterdam: Bicycles go first, and the others wait.

The real hierarchy in Amsterdam is trams > cycles > cars > pedestrians.

Heh. Yeah, I forgot about the trams. Its been a bit since I've been the annoying tourist - probably time to go again :)

Re: Why Amsterdam Works So Well for Bikes

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> Amsterdam has plenty of suburbs, they just look different from US suburbs because of the different land-use and planning approach that they have in the Netherlands. > But they've also invested a lot in their train network and most people commute that way. Most people in say D.C. don't commute by train not because D.C. hasn't invested enough in it, but because the suburbs "look different." D.C., for example, has inv…

So what do you think the solution actually is? I think the solution is a combination of: 1) further uber-ification, 2) further bike/walking lane improvement, 3) further investment into trains, despite the problems you speak of now 1) I think more people should become Uber drivers (if not Uber, gov't should make an Uber-like app). Not necessarily for the money (although it is nice), but because of the ecological reaso…

> I live in Boston suburbs, my roundtrip commute to work is about 3 hours. Picking up strangers along the way without losing a lot of time, I save the environment a little bit

The DC area has already has a system for doing just this and there is no app involved. It's called "slugging". Because there are HOV restrictions on some major highways requiring you to have 2 or 3 people in the car to use them, an informal market developed between drivers and riders meeting at suburban parking lots. There's no cash changing hands because the payoff for the driver is the ability to use the HOV lanes (or the HOV-only highway in the case of I-66) for a much faster commute.

Re: Why Amsterdam Works So Well for Bikes

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Amsterdam's bike-friendliness is at best average compared to the rest of the Netherlands :)

As a dutch person: Amsterdam is, in my opinion, a scary place to ride your bike. It's far too busy and people seem to care more about overtaking you than about safety.

I can't imagine what other countries must be like if this is the pinnacle of cycling :P

Re: Why Amsterdam Works So Well for Bikes

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I ride my bicycle in Boston year-round, and I found Amsterdam to be pretty stressful to bicycle in. Very crowded streets and very confusing traffic. I'm sure it was much less dangerous than Boston, but I never really adjusted to the pell mell chaos in Amsterdam. Maybe I just wasn't there long enough.

Amsterdam is too busy. Next time you visit spend some time in smaller cities. Cycling can be downright relaxing :P

Re: Why Amsterdam Works So Well for Bikes

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Weather. Boston for example has three months that the casual commuter would find tolerable.

But that's not because of the weather, but rather what the conditions are of the bike infrastructure in that weather. I think Amsterdam weather isn't very substantially different from Boston's... but in Boston winter weather bike lanes are practically un-existent when snow-plowing trucks have cleared the snow for cars to the area where bike lane would be (if it even exists to begin with). https://en.wikipedia.org/wik…

Thanks for the info. I can imagine you do NOT want to share the roads with cars in those conditions.
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