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Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by jacquesm »

harshpotatoes wrote: post #32
jacquesm wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, it isn't. I have sworn my current one is my last nokia. It takes literally forever to start up, and after it seems that it has started up it is frequently still impossible to make calls or look at the call history or the sms messages section. It crashes with some regularity (which is really annoying, because it takes a long time to start up again), it drops calls in the middle of a conversation about two or…

I stopped reading at 'literally forever'.

Thank you, that really needed saying.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by ThomPete »

jfager wrote: post #35
ThomPete wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have read it and am fairly confident I understand it. My point was basically that the lower end markets here is the smartphone market. I agree though it might be a stretch as I am turning the metrics upside down. But I don't think it changes the fundamental point. That Nokia is turning themselves out of business by making the "right" decisions.

In what possible way can making a shitty phone and then lying about its capabilities in marketing materials be considered 'making the "right" decisions'?

That's not what I was referring to with my TID comment but the focus on selling large quantities of "dumb" phones because that is where the largest revenue (still) is.

This affect their lack off proper focus on the smart phones. They can't get exited about the numbers so to speak.

But as I said, it might be a stretch to use that term here, I still stand by it.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by jacquesm »

bluemetal wrote: post #38
jacquesm wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, it isn't. I have sworn my current one is my last nokia. It takes literally forever to start up, and after it seems that it has started up it is frequently still impossible to make calls or look at the call history or the sms messages section. It crashes with some regularity (which is really annoying, because it takes a long time to start up again), it drops calls in the middle of a conversation about two or…

I am a big fan of the older nokia phones, especially the ones with only two screen colours. I accidentally flung them across rooms, dropped them on sidewalks and even put one through a dryer once. They always still worked and I have only ever replaced them when other people bought me newer models. However, my latest nokia is shocking compared to the others I have had before it. The case started falling off the back a…

I've actually considered reviving one of my ancient phones as well, I rarely if ever use any of the more advanced features of this phone anyway, I use mine to call and to very rarely send sms messages. I've used the browser once to see if it works (it does). So I really don't 'need' a fancy phone. I guess I shouldn't complain too much because the phone company sent it for free because they apparently make too much money on me but still, basic functionality should simply work as good or better as in a previous release, why regress ?

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by thought_alarm »

ck2 wrote: post #6

There have always been lies, then advertising, and they deserve to be taken to task for that, but what I find surreal is how much computing power in our hands that we take for granted these days. I guess one day kids will complain their microsd sized devices don't project holograms bright enough or in enough colors.

> but what I find surreal is how much computing power in our hands that we take for granted these days.

Computing power that is ruined by the appallingly-poor quality software that was obviously rushed out the door. It's really shameful and depressing.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by kiiski »

jacquesm wrote: post #24
Setsuna wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> phones that take 5 minutes to switch on, frequently crash and drop calls and explode in to a variety of parts (cover plates, batteries, main boards, buttons and so on) with normal use. Sounds more like an exaggeration

Actually, it isn't. I have sworn my current one is my last nokia. It takes literally forever to start up, and after it seems that it has started up it is frequently still impossible to make calls or look at the call history or the sms messages section. It crashes with some regularity (which is really annoying, because it takes a long time to start up again), it drops calls in the middle of a conversation about two or…

What model are you using? My n900 takes about 1 minute to boot, has never (during the last 6 months) crashed or dropped a call (that's probably more of a network problem anyway) and the back cover is the only part that even can be taken off (and this far is has never come off by itself).

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by jfager »

ThomPete wrote: post #42
jfager wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what possible way can making a shitty phone and then lying about its capabilities in marketing materials be considered 'making the "right" decisions'?

That's not what I was referring to with my TID comment but the focus on selling large quantities of "dumb" phones because that is where the largest revenue (still) is. This affect their lack off proper focus on the smart phones. They can't get exited about the numbers so to speak. But as I said, it might be a stretch to use that term here, I still stand by it.

Ah, alright, fair point. Maybe we could coin a new term: "The HighVolumeProfitableCrapMonger's Dilemma"

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by jacquesm »

kiiski wrote: post #46
jacquesm wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, it isn't. I have sworn my current one is my last nokia. It takes literally forever to start up, and after it seems that it has started up it is frequently still impossible to make calls or look at the call history or the sms messages section. It crashes with some regularity (which is really annoying, because it takes a long time to start up again), it drops calls in the middle of a conversation about two or…

What model are you using? My n900 takes about 1 minute to boot, has never (during the last 6 months) crashed or dropped a call (that's probably more of a network problem anyway) and the back cover is the only part that even can be taken off (and this far is has never come off by itself).

This is an N96, the button issues were with the previous phone, which was one of those with a little stick to direct the cursor. When it decided to lose the stick (just like that, it simply fell out) on a gravel road somewhere in Colombia it really was pretty awkward, the phone was pretty hard to use without it.

I've tried to detect a pattern in the dropped calls (make and model of the phone on the other side, network cells I'm in and so on), without any effect.

The phone has plenty of free memory, the techs in the store assure me the phone is ok (it's been back a few times already), latest firmware, and so on. The mechanical issues seem to be closely related to the way the back cover fits on, it's a very light 'snap' fit and nothing at all will make it come off. Because it's a slide phone I can't tape it in place or something like that.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by blub »

nailer wrote: post #26
DavidMcLaughlin wrote: post #3

What's with the Nokia doesn't get it part? The market repositioning from smart-phone to mid-range consumer phone and delayed launch of the N8 would seem to suggest that Nokia definitely does get that the N97 was a disaster. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N8 Disclaimer: I work for Nokia.

Look at the picture attached to the article you just posted. At the bottom of the screen 'Options, exit'. Just where the soft menu keys would have been. And the same size. And the same amount of buttons. This is a touch phone. Why do you place on screen items like they're going to be activated by soft buttons? Disaster #2 on the way.

Options/Exit is a long time Symbian thing. Since the OS in N8 is an evolutionary step from the current version of the OS, they probably didn't want to change things too much.

Anyway, this is actually one of the least problematic aspects of Symbian and not a disaster at all.

Re: Nokia doesn't get it - The Truth about N97 [video]

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Post by ThomPete »

jfager wrote: post #47
ThomPete wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what I was referring to with my TID comment but the focus on selling large quantities of "dumb" phones because that is where the largest revenue (still) is. This affect their lack off proper focus on the smart phones. They can't get exited about the numbers so to speak. But as I said, it might be a stretch to use that term here, I still stand by it.

Ah, alright, fair point. Maybe we could coin a new term: "The HighVolumeProfitableCrapMonger's Dilemma"

Hah! That's a keeper.
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