Breitbart, other conservative outlets escalate anti-SpaceX campaign
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Re: Breitbart, other conservative outlets escalate anti-SpaceX campaign
#2In general, I really quite dislike Conservative/Liberal labels as political stances are not two-dimensional, but rather multidimensional. Parties are loose alliances of disparate groups. And somehow there's this rising contingent of neocons, who also happen to dislike SpaceX.
Does anyone understand this?
Edit: I want to clarify that the alternative to private enterprise competing for government contracts (usually military, again usually a conservative delight) is direct government sponsorship, i.e. NASA.
SpaceX is one of those cases where the free market actually has been more effective. So why not seize on it?
Re: Breitbart, other conservative outlets escalate anti-SpaceX campaign
#3This new flavor of conservatism is so strange in light of how bound to free market ideals most flavors of conservatism are. In general, I really quite dislike Conservative/Liberal labels as political stances are not two-dimensional, but rather multidimensional. Parties are loose alliances of disparate groups. And somehow there's this rising contingent of neocons, who also happen to dislike SpaceX. Does anyone underst…
They're basically as bad as you've heard, but hiding it sometimes.
Even I find this particular turn against SpaceX somewhat weird. My internal model of the alt-right has largely been that they have one wing who are basically Nazi fanfiction, another who idolize the "throne and altar conservatism" of pre-Revolutionary France, and another who think they should build Warhammer 40K's Imperium of Man as a real-life society (they're very pop-culture influenced). Turning against a private space company seems to indicate that some factions (Nazis plus... someone else?) are throwing the "far-right futurism" faction overboard.
(Again, these guys are really weird, but hey, it's all there on their blogs.)
My big question is: where's Peter Thiel in all this? Just last year, he was the one trying to assure everyone that, oh don't worry, this was all about tearing down overbearing regulations and political correctness in favor of unbound innovation, that the Right weren't anti-science religious people anymore, etc. Turning against SpaceX isn't just throwing a faction of bloggers overboard, it's thrown Thiel overboard, and he was a major billionaire backer for all of this.
Re: Breitbart, other conservative outlets escalate anti-SpaceX campaign
#4This new flavor of conservatism is so strange in light of how bound to free market ideals most flavors of conservatism are. In general, I really quite dislike Conservative/Liberal labels as political stances are not two-dimensional, but rather multidimensional. Parties are loose alliances of disparate groups. And somehow there's this rising contingent of neocons, who also happen to dislike SpaceX. Does anyone underst…
The article does imply at the end that there is likely someone behind these articles that has a specific interest in this narrative.
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#8Considering that most of the media has been fawning over musk and spacex and everything musk does, perhaps some criticism of musk is required in a free and democratic system.
I just don't like how so much of media are pretty much colluding with each other to spread the same narrative. On almost all topics, it seems like most of the media is pushing a particular narrative.
I wish we had a media environment where about a third is pro-musk, a third is anti-musk and a third is neutral.
The same with trump/obama/clinton, politics, technology, business, globalization, economics, international relations, etc.
All we seem to get is cheerleading by the media for one particular agenda.
I'm a believer in diversity and I think we need diversity in the media.
And I don't believe in saints. Musk has done a lot of good things, but he isn't a saint. He has done plenty of things that can be criticized. How most of his business lives off government subsidies. How much in bed he is with wall street. How he really hasn't invented or created anything new. Most of his proclamations and "inventions" are decades old technologies. None of his grandiose proposals have born fruit yet.
If all the media seems to do is praise or criticize, then I know something is wrong.
Edit: Wow, that was a swift and quick number of downvotes. I know that pay to play is a big thing in news ( both arstechnica and brietbart and everyone else does ). But I wonder if musk has pr firms working the social media scene?
Re: Breitbart, other conservative outlets escalate anti-SpaceX campaign
#9This new flavor of conservatism is so strange in light of how bound to free market ideals most flavors of conservatism are. In general, I really quite dislike Conservative/Liberal labels as political stances are not two-dimensional, but rather multidimensional. Parties are loose alliances of disparate groups. And somehow there's this rising contingent of neocons, who also happen to dislike SpaceX. Does anyone underst…
"Neocons" were the foreign-policy hawks of the 2000s. These guys largely call themselves the "alt-right". They're basically as bad as you've heard, but hiding it sometimes. Even I find this particular turn against SpaceX somewhat weird. My internal model of the alt-right has largely been that they have one wing who are basically Nazi fanfiction, another who idolize the "throne and altar conservatism" of pre-Revolutio…
The evidence seems to suggest Thiel has gotten in with the "throne and altar" crowd, the Neo-Reactionaries and self-described "Dark Enlightenment".
https://thebaffler.com/latest/the-moldbug-variations-pein
How that intersects with his techy leanings, I don't really know, it's very possible that he's being thrown overboard as you describe.
Re: Breitbart, other conservative outlets escalate anti-SpaceX campaign
#10This new flavor of conservatism is so strange in light of how bound to free market ideals most flavors of conservatism are. In general, I really quite dislike Conservative/Liberal labels as political stances are not two-dimensional, but rather multidimensional. Parties are loose alliances of disparate groups. And somehow there's this rising contingent of neocons, who also happen to dislike SpaceX. Does anyone underst…
"Neocons" were the foreign-policy hawks of the 2000s. These guys largely call themselves the "alt-right". They're basically as bad as you've heard, but hiding it sometimes. Even I find this particular turn against SpaceX somewhat weird. My internal model of the alt-right has largely been that they have one wing who are basically Nazi fanfiction, another who idolize the "throne and altar conservatism" of pre-Revolutio…
It's all built on the false nationalism of a flagging superpower, and if any of these people traveled in the least they would see that other countries are actually doing a lot of things better than we do here. We got arrogant, our politicians got greedy, and our voter base got complacent. It's only going to get worse too.