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Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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This might as well be titled - Forget Iphone X-Apple's Best Product is that they are not out to sell you anything else - ads (Google) or other products (Amazon). If a stance on something is due not having a particular type of business, is it really worth the praise?

Apple does sell ads though.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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I don't get why people believe that Apple is so much better than any of the other big ones.. http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-iphone-app-secret-access... Apple always refuses to comment on bugs, security holes and basically anything they can not use for marketing. You WANT to believe that Apple is better.

I clicked on this to see why too. My understanding is that they were just as anti-privacy as Google or Samsung. They signed on to PRISM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) , they happily work with the government over user privacy in articles all the time, and those are just the things we know about. I'm sure there are more PRISM-like back room government deals that we haven't heard of out there…

Is this related to Purism announcing that they had successfully disabled the Intel Management Engine on their laptops? Or is that unrelated? Sorry, this is all new info to me.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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Apple itself may well have a pro-privacy stance regarding the data associated with their products & services, but if I can't even install a firewall on one of their phones then that doesn't protect my privacy much against malicious or deceptive third-parties. I don't much like Android as a system but at least I can strip it of Google services and install a firewall and feel reasonably private. It's not an ideal optio…

It does have a firewall. The configuration is static: no incoming connections.

You might be thinking about not being able to have an antivirus? In which case, that is certainly a feature - not a bug. Allowing the privileges required to enable an AV to operate on iOS would severely degrade the security of your device. The losses would massively outweigh any potential benefits of having an AV.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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Apple itself may well have a pro-privacy stance regarding the data associated with their products & services, but if I can't even install a firewall on one of their phones then that doesn't protect my privacy much against malicious or deceptive third-parties. I don't much like Android as a system but at least I can strip it of Google services and install a firewall and feel reasonably private. It's not an ideal optio…

Try VPN?

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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This might as well be titled - Forget Iphone X-Apple's Best Product is that they are not out to sell you anything else - ads (Google) or other products (Amazon). If a stance on something is due not having a particular type of business, is it really worth the praise?

Why would you want to "praise" a company. Publicly traded companies operate for financial gain. If you feel a company is supporting your interests you might want to consider buy their products.

Make sure it's known that you're buying their product because they support your interests. They will hopefully see that it's good business to continue doing so.

That's a much more robust way to get the products (and ecosystem) that you want than by praising them.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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This might as well be titled - Forget Iphone X-Apple's Best Product is that they are not out to sell you anything else - ads (Google) or other products (Amazon). If a stance on something is due not having a particular type of business, is it really worth the praise?

Apple does sell ads though.

I feel this is a legitimate criticism of Apple. Not only do they sell the product at a price that funds development (and gives them a healthy profit) they also sell unavoidable Ads (in the AppStore).

Ads in apps themselves I'm reasonably ok with (just avoid those apps). But having an unavoidable advert in the Appstore is annoying.

Overall however, I find it to be a minor annoyance.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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This might as well be titled - Forget Iphone X-Apple's Best Product is that they are not out to sell you anything else - ads (Google) or other products (Amazon). If a stance on something is due not having a particular type of business, is it really worth the praise?

But it's chicken and egg, right? They don't have that particular business because they made the choice of privacy long ago? Even if they're not in the ads business because of a series of lucky decisions that just happened to steer them this way, there's nothing wrong with touting a selling point.

No. Apple has had the same business model always, which is to sell you hardware differentiated by software at a premium. Apple doesn't have an advertising-based business model[1] because such a model is fundamentally incompatible with their existing business model. The reason is that for an advertising based model to be truly successful, you have to reach as many consumers as possible, which ultimately means that your product must be free to use for consumers.

Apple's stance on privacy is making a virtue out of necessity.

[1] Yes, yes, I know: iAd. But how well did that work?

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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Apple does sell ads though.

I feel this is a legitimate criticism of Apple. Not only do they sell the product at a price that funds development (and gives them a healthy profit) they also sell unavoidable Ads (in the AppStore). Ads in apps themselves I'm reasonably ok with (just avoid those apps). But having an unavoidable advert in the Appstore is annoying. Overall however, I find it to be a minor annoyance.

The ad system for apps doesn't even exist anymore.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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I feel this is a legitimate criticism of Apple. Not only do they sell the product at a price that funds development (and gives them a healthy profit) they also sell unavoidable Ads (in the AppStore). Ads in apps themselves I'm reasonably ok with (just avoid those apps). But having an unavoidable advert in the Appstore is annoying. Overall however, I find it to be a minor annoyance.

The ad system for apps doesn't even exist anymore.

Wow, I'd totally missed that. That's really great news.

Re: Forget iPhone X–Apple's Best Product Is Its Privacy Stance

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Apple itself may well have a pro-privacy stance regarding the data associated with their products & services, but if I can't even install a firewall on one of their phones then that doesn't protect my privacy much against malicious or deceptive third-parties. I don't much like Android as a system but at least I can strip it of Google services and install a firewall and feel reasonably private. It's not an ideal optio…

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