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Rise of the Creative Class Worked a Little Too Well

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Re: Rise of the Creative Class Worked a Little Too Well

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Post by WalterBright »

michaelchisari wrote: post #90
WalterBright wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Beatles made some of the greatest music in history, but "she loves you yeah yeah yeah" is a mite lacking in intellectual complexity.

You're going to bring up the Beatles, and not bring up Tomorrow Never Knows or Blue Jay Way or anything off of Sgt. Pepper? And all art has a wide expanse between commercially available and popular, and the avant garde, and within that range is another range between simplicity and complexity. Art also encompasses film, fiction, the visual arts, music. All of which have a massive range of intellectual importance and d…

> All of which have a massive range

Of course they do. I'm merely challenging your claim "Great art is heavy on intellectual complexity." There's no doubt at all that "She Loves You" is a great song. Personally, I prefer the earlier Beatles tunes rather than Sgt Pepper. Perhaps you could quote from the latter some lyrics that have deep meaning to you?

I also greatly enjoy Led Zeppelin, have every album, even cover albums, but am under no illusions about the intellectual complexity of "squeeze my lemon".

Re: Rise of the Creative Class Worked a Little Too Well

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Post by WalterBright »

Daishiman wrote: post #68
WalterBright wrote: post #25

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> kicking out artists in a dilapidated warehouse area, and moving in boring professionals So artists are wonderful, interesting people, and professionals are boring and unappealing? Wow.

Hmm, yes? There's only so much after-work talk I can tolerate about app servers. I want to go to the theater, watch plays, and see bands. The people who have those interests are not particularly enchanted by traditional professional careers.

I bet you'd get bored at watching plays 40 hrs a week, too.

Re: Rise of the Creative Class Worked a Little Too Well

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Post by WalterBright »

scientistem wrote: post #83
WalterBright wrote: post #82

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Why have software prices trended to zero, in spite of the desires of their capitalist creators to make it as expensive as possible?

Well, I’d assume price competition. (I appreciate the response!) How can you expect prices to improve if you can’t shop around?

Shopping around in health care is greatly restricted by government policy. Tax policy, for example, is why health insurance tends to be tied to your employer, unlike car insurance. The supply of MDs is closely controlled and restricted by the AMA in order to drive up prices.

See "Competition and Monopoly" by Frecht.

The supply of drugs is heavily restricted by patents and the FDA. See "Regulation of Pharmaceutical Innovation" by Peltzman.

Re: Rise of the Creative Class Worked a Little Too Well

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Post by WalterBright »

maxxxxx wrote: post #87
WalterBright wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need food, too, and food is dirt cheap, and there's far less government involved with that. (Yes, I know about the USDA and agricultural subsidies, but the latter doesn't apply to all the food shipped into the US.)

As far as I know the food basics are highly subsidized. Isn't the yearly farm bill around 20 billion?

US population is 323.1m, annual food per is $6000, or roughly $180b. Even more roughly, then 10% of the food budget is subsidized. $20b doesn't explain cheap food prices.

Re: Rise of the Creative Class Worked a Little Too Well

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Post by WalterBright »

goldfeld wrote: post #88
WalterBright wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Beatles made some of the greatest music in history, but "she loves you yeah yeah yeah" is a mite lacking in intellectual complexity.

Far from making greatest works even in modern music, but they made greatness accessible.

> accessible

I was always baffled by what that was supposed to mean.

Re: Rise of the Creative Class Worked a Little Too Well

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Post by michaelchisari »

WalterBright wrote: post #91
michaelchisari wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're going to bring up the Beatles, and not bring up Tomorrow Never Knows or Blue Jay Way or anything off of Sgt. Pepper? And all art has a wide expanse between commercially available and popular, and the avant garde, and within that range is another range between simplicity and complexity. Art also encompasses film, fiction, the visual arts, music. All of which have a massive range of intellectual importance and d…

> All of which have a massive range Of course they do. I'm merely challenging your claim "Great art is heavy on intellectual complexity." There's no doubt at all that "She Loves You" is a great song. Personally, I prefer the earlier Beatles tunes rather than Sgt Pepper. Perhaps you could quote from the latter some lyrics that have deep meaning to you? I also greatly enjoy Led Zeppelin, have every album, even cover al…

There are great examples of lyricism in music. There are great examples of production. There are great examples of musicianship. And there are great examples of songwriting. Each has varying levels of complexity.

Nobody celebrates Led Zeppelin for their lyricism, but I think you knew that already.

Re: Rise of the Creative Class Worked a Little Too Well

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Post by DrScump »

justinator wrote: post #9
rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #4

Before industrialization, land that mattered was farmland. Then as industrialization took hold, urban land became more important as the grouping of people together allowed for economies of scale in manufacturing. But then the petrochemical revolution put things in reverse, as people could live anywhere and travel by car. Suddenly, open space was economically desirable, as it made more sense to build a factory in supe…

Google, Amazon (for example), are building large work centers in desirable places to work, which are raising the cost of living of everyone else in the town that may not have a six figure income. Google is moving to Boulder, CO as we speak; Denver was on the shortlist for Amazon. It's the same problem with kicking out artists in a dilapidated warehouse area, and moving in boring professionals to live in lofts built o…

  kicking out artists in a dilapidated warehouse area, and moving in boring professionals
I think "boring professionals" would, at least, make such spaces safe to live in.[0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Oakland_warehouse_fire

Re: Rise of the Creative Class Worked a Little Too Well

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Post by ChuckMcM »

chinstorff wrote: post #27
ChuckMcM wrote: post #3

Does anyone have the book? I noticed in the chart they measured 'San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward' which would be the northern half of the bay area that does not include the Santa Clara valley (aka Silicon Valley). I'm wondering if there was a measurement for the 'Redwood City - San Jose - Fremont' southern half of the bay area.

The San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward MSA[0] contains San Mateo and Alameda Counties, so Redwood City and Fremont are included. Santa Clara County is not included, however. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose-San_Francisco-Oakland...

That is awesome, it lead me eventually to discover the San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara MSA (which is the 'other' side of the Bay) and this comparison site (https://datausa.io/profile/geo/san-jose-sunnyvale-santa-clar...)

Re: Rise of the Creative Class Worked a Little Too Well

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Post by s17n »

arcanus wrote: post #8
s17n wrote: post #5

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Wouldn't gini be better than either of those?

Or a straight up power-law curve fit, which is what those are both (implicitly) based upon.

Really? I thought that Gini is equally applicable to any type of underlying curve.
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