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Divided We Code: Undercover Conservatives

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Re: Divided We Code: Undercover Conservatives

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Post by creaghpatr »

RightMillennial wrote: post #88
subsection1h wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why would you question his abilities? Biblical literalists have no regard for empirical evidence. You mention scientists having stupid beliefs. Scientists develop evidence-based explanations of phenomena through experimentation using available tools. Our tools are obviously imperfect; thus, imperfect observations are made and imperfect explanations can form as a result. Biblical literalists, on the other hand, don't…

So you're saying that you would reject otherwise qualified candidates based on their religion (a protected class in the U.S.), which is illegal?

And how would you figure out if someone was a biblical literalist or a garden variety Christian or an athiest anyway, unless it’s somehow relevant to work?

Re: Divided We Code: Undercover Conservatives

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Post by orwin »

CalChris wrote: post #63
api wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Libertarians aren't conservatives. Libertarianism is a different branch of the same tree as other forms of liberalism. The goal is maximization of individual human well being and potential. The disagreement is over how best to achieve that.

Libertarians are also not libertarians. They're just disaffected Republicans. Ron Paul. Gary Johnson. Bob Barr. Et cetera.

I always found it funny that the word "libertaire" (french translation of libertarian), come from the word liberal with the word "proletaire", and is now used to qualify some members of the american far-right.

It was used to criticise liberal anarchism (Proudhon) because it was not socialist/egalitarist enough, and later inspired Marx (who built his theory of communism with anarchist fundation). So people in US that call themselves "libertarian" could change their names to "communists cousins", really.

Re: Divided We Code: Undercover Conservatives

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Post by yosho »

Yeah there's definitely some things that are taboo to talk about because it's too political. I for one, am a liberal gun owner, which gives me a unique perspective in that I understand where a lot of liberals are coming from, but I also understand how conservatives feel when liberals constantly attack their viewpoints and try to silence them. It's funny how many debates I get into with other liberals about guns when they've never held or shot a gun in their life and yet claim to know everything about it. And the amount of moral superiority they hold around their viewpoints is staggering, truly a "I'm right you're wrong and an idiot" mentality.

If there's one thing I recommend everyone to do is just listen to the other side and at least TRY to see their perspective even if you disagree.

Re: Divided We Code: Undercover Conservatives

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Post by jdavis703 »

munk-a wrote: post #72
Upvoter33 wrote: post #49

Honestly, why don't people keep their politics out of the workplace entirely? Unless you are working at a lobbying firm or whatever, work should be about work, not about being a place to discuss gun rights, abortion, or immigration.

Side note, if you work for a lobbying firm can you also not discuss gun rights, abortion, or immigration in the work place... or anything... In fact, can you just find a new job and stop trying to make your voice heard louder than others.

One of the tough pieces of democracies is ensuring that any group outside of the majority gets equal treatment. For example, the majority of Americans don't know much about agronomics and agriculture policy, so it helps if farmers can ensure that politicians and regulators also hear their voices. The problem arises when you have super-lobbyists like the Jack Abramoffs and Paul Manaforts of the world manipulating politicians on issues that are clearly detrimental to society, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Re: Divided We Code: Undercover Conservatives

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Post by Balgair »

lj3 wrote: post #76
Upvoter33 wrote: post #49

Honestly, why don't people keep their politics out of the workplace entirely? Unless you are working at a lobbying firm or whatever, work should be about work, not about being a place to discuss gun rights, abortion, or immigration.

> Honestly, why don't people keep their politics out of the workplace entirely? Because the US is in the middle of a cold civil war that's heating up fast. Denying your enemy employment and therefore bankrupting them is remarkably effective.

> cold civil war

1st International Cyber War

Re: Divided We Code: Undercover Conservatives

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Post by Balgair »

gonehome wrote: post #9

"John: If I walked into work with a "Make America Great Again" hat, there would be repercussions. Quite a few people would take it as a personal affront, and I would expect to be out of the company within weeks, if not a month." If someone walked in with a young earth creationist hat I would similarly question their ability to think critically (and have a hard time not just categorizing them as stupid). Is this reall…

Thank you. Not all conservatives voted for the Cheeto nor Hil-dawg. It's not red v blue, we're all Americans and we all should want for all of us to 'win.'

Re: Divided We Code: Undercover Conservatives

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Post by CalChris »

RightMillennial wrote: post #88
subsection1h wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why would you question his abilities? Biblical literalists have no regard for empirical evidence. You mention scientists having stupid beliefs. Scientists develop evidence-based explanations of phenomena through experimentation using available tools. Our tools are obviously imperfect; thus, imperfect observations are made and imperfect explanations can form as a result. Biblical literalists, on the other hand, don't…

So you're saying that you would reject otherwise qualified candidates based on their religion (a protected class in the U.S.), which is illegal?

It’s not illegal for me to reject non-Flying Spaghetti Monsterarians on the basis of their religion. It is unconstitutional for the govmint to do so.

Re: Divided We Code: Undercover Conservatives

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Post by simonsarris »

Upvoter33 wrote: post #49

Honestly, why don't people keep their politics out of the workplace entirely? Unless you are working at a lobbying firm or whatever, work should be about work, not about being a place to discuss gun rights, abortion, or immigration.

Or last night's football game, which just got political?

What are colleagues allowed to talk about, exactly? If we "just don't talk about politics" the end result will be everyone talking and engaging less on any mildly controversial topic (which now includes "the game last night"), and since this cannot be avoided, they will simply talk and engage less altogether.

I don't think that's acceptable, so I don't think "keep politics out of the workplace" is acceptable.

(And what if you are a journalist, coal miner, wind turbine installer, or any number of professions that is in some way involved with the government or politics, which a non-trivial number of jobs?)

Re: Divided We Code: Undercover Conservatives

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Post by quotemstr »

simonsarris wrote: post #99
Upvoter33 wrote: post #49

Honestly, why don't people keep their politics out of the workplace entirely? Unless you are working at a lobbying firm or whatever, work should be about work, not about being a place to discuss gun rights, abortion, or immigration.

Or last night's football game, which just got political? What are colleagues allowed to talk about, exactly? If we "just don't talk about politics" the end result will be everyone talking and engaging less on any mildly controversial topic (which now includes "the game last night"), and since this cannot be avoided, they will simply talk and engage less altogether. I don't think that's acceptable, so I don't think "k…

Ideally, we'd be able to talk about any topic. But right now, the country is divided into two equal halves, each of which thinks the other is the ultimate evil, the enemy beyond reason, the Other which must be excised from the tribe for the safety of all.

Given this political climate, which isn't changing soon, and given the business need to work together toward common goals, then no, we can't let politics into the workplace. At all. Even if it means that we need to skip talking about the political aspect of last night's game.

Extreme ideologues have ruined it for everyone. This is why we can't have nice things.

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