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When Microsoft Plans to End Its Free Windows 10 Upgrade Offer
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Re: When Microsoft Plans to End Its Free Windows 10 Upgrade Offer
#22Interestly the US page[0] gives an end date of the end of the year but the GB page[1] doesn't and the FAQ for the GB page states they "will make a public announcement before ending the offer".
[0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/windows10upgra...
[1] https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/accessibility/windows10upgra...
Re: When Microsoft Plans to End Its Free Windows 10 Upgrade Offer
#23Microsoft will never end the Windows 10 upgrade offer. They want all Win 7 and 8/8.1 users on Win 10. The advantages of having a device upgrade from 7->10 include the following: - Windows 10 has a more restrictive license. Telemetry sharing and automatic updates cannot be turned off on all Win 10 upgrades. - The shrinking and eventual elimination of Windows 7 devices means fewer older devices to support, fewer patche…
Microsoft has established support timelines. They will have to backport fixes and carryout whatever level of support they do regardless of how many people upgrade, because it will never be 100%. More users on Win10 just means a better pitch to app developers about using the latest Store-enabled APIs. But you're right they want to show improving numbers and then mine users for ads. MS absolutely hates how they let onl…
How many times do we have to go over this...
Telemetry != Tracking
Telemetry data has been gathered since Windows XP and it's gathered in the magical Windows 7. It's not new. It's used to identify problems with their software and how it interacts with users systems. It's also used to understand how users are using the software and what issues they encounter.
Microsoft even provides documentation of everything captured under basic tracking.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/configuration/basic...
Re: When Microsoft Plans to End Its Free Windows 10 Upgrade Offer
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft has established support timelines. They will have to backport fixes and carryout whatever level of support they do regardless of how many people upgrade, because it will never be 100%. More users on Win10 just means a better pitch to app developers about using the latest Store-enabled APIs. But you're right they want to show improving numbers and then mine users for ads. MS absolutely hates how they let onl…
I don't even mind the telemetry data as some of the in your face passive advertising and additional "features" and apps I could care less about. I finally went linux on my home desktop a few months ago, I was so sick of it. No, I don't want Edge as my main browser. No, wtf is this contacts thing you added in that I can't seem to remove. Can you please get rid of these cards for apps I don't have installed? No, I don'…
> No, wtf is this contacts thing you added in that I can't seem to remove.
HKCU:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced\People, key PeopleBand of type Dword, set to 0.
However, normal people should not resort to configuring their system via registry. This should be normal, disableable feature, if it has to be there at all.
Do not forget to re-check after earch update.
And yes, I do mind the telemetry data. So do I mind resetting the user preferences by updates and forced updates too.
Re: When Microsoft Plans to End Its Free Windows 10 Upgrade Offer
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
If this is the case, why bother putting the upgrade behind the "assistive technologies users only" fig leaf? It's going to scare away some number of honest people from upgrading. If your goal is to upgrade the maximum number of devices, wouldn't you want to make the upgrade obviously free for everybody?
It already is - if you enter a Windows 7 key during installation of Windows 10 it works without any issues. The only problem is that it's completely non-obvious to the final user, MS is not advertising this anywhere as far as I know.
Many users do not have they key, since the OEMs stopped gluing the labels on the machines. They have only a SLIC entry in the firmware, so that's an additional hurdle.
Re: When Microsoft Plans to End Its Free Windows 10 Upgrade Offer
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft has established support timelines. They will have to backport fixes and carryout whatever level of support they do regardless of how many people upgrade, because it will never be 100%. More users on Win10 just means a better pitch to app developers about using the latest Store-enabled APIs. But you're right they want to show improving numbers and then mine users for ads. MS absolutely hates how they let onl…
How many times do we have to go over this... Telemetry != Tracking Telemetry data has been gathered since Windows XP and it's gathered in the magical Windows 7. It's not new. It's used to identify problems with their software and how it interacts with users systems. It's also used to understand how users are using the software and what issues they encounter. Microsoft even provides documentation of everything capture…
> How many times do we have to go over this...
As many times as it takes for people like yourself stop switching the subject and feigning surprised frustration.
It has never been about "telemetry" or "tracking". It's always been about not "phoning home" under pretense du jour.
It is all about _privacy_ and _control_ over one's own computer, the very notions that's been steadily eroded to near oblivion through constant and unyielding pressure from Microsoft et al.
Re: When Microsoft Plans to End Its Free Windows 10 Upgrade Offer
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft has established support timelines. They will have to backport fixes and carryout whatever level of support they do regardless of how many people upgrade, because it will never be 100%. More users on Win10 just means a better pitch to app developers about using the latest Store-enabled APIs. But you're right they want to show improving numbers and then mine users for ads. MS absolutely hates how they let onl…
I don't even mind the telemetry data as some of the in your face passive advertising and additional "features" and apps I could care less about. I finally went linux on my home desktop a few months ago, I was so sick of it. No, I don't want Edge as my main browser. No, wtf is this contacts thing you added in that I can't seem to remove. Can you please get rid of these cards for apps I don't have installed? No, I don'…
Hell, I go to support.dell.com to look at drivers for my laptop, and Cortana pops up, "Can I interest you in a coupon?"
I mean WTF.
Re: When Microsoft Plans to End Its Free Windows 10 Upgrade Offer
#28Microsoft will never end the Windows 10 upgrade offer. They want all Win 7 and 8/8.1 users on Win 10. The advantages of having a device upgrade from 7->10 include the following: - Windows 10 has a more restrictive license. Telemetry sharing and automatic updates cannot be turned off on all Win 10 upgrades. - The shrinking and eventual elimination of Windows 7 devices means fewer older devices to support, fewer patche…
> Telemetry sharing and automatic updates cannot be turned off on all Win 10 upgrades.
I turned it off with my pfsense firewall whitelist.
It’s my hardware, and it communicates to whom I want, when I want.
Re: When Microsoft Plans to End Its Free Windows 10 Upgrade Offer
#29Microsoft will never end the Windows 10 upgrade offer. They want all Win 7 and 8/8.1 users on Win 10. The advantages of having a device upgrade from 7->10 include the following: - Windows 10 has a more restrictive license. Telemetry sharing and automatic updates cannot be turned off on all Win 10 upgrades. - The shrinking and eventual elimination of Windows 7 devices means fewer older devices to support, fewer patche…
> Telemetry sharing and automatic updates cannot be turned off on all Win 10 upgrades. I turned it off with my pfsense firewall whitelist. It’s my hardware, and it communicates to whom I want, when I want.
> I turned it off with my pfsense firewall whitelist.
You’re so smart! Yes you are!
Now try getting Grandma to do that.
Re: When Microsoft Plans to End Its Free Windows 10 Upgrade Offer
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
How many times do we have to go over this... Telemetry != Tracking Telemetry data has been gathered since Windows XP and it's gathered in the magical Windows 7. It's not new. It's used to identify problems with their software and how it interacts with users systems. It's also used to understand how users are using the software and what issues they encounter. Microsoft even provides documentation of everything capture…
> How many times do we have to go over this... As many times as it takes for people like yourself stop switching the subject and feigning surprised frustration. It has never been about "telemetry" or "tracking". It's always been about not "phoning home" under pretense du jour. It is all about _privacy_ and _control_ over one's own computer, the very notions that's been steadily eroded to near oblivion through constan…
>_control_
You are running several millions of lines of possibly closed source code written by others running on almost definitely closed design hardware. At some level you have to trust your platform.