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Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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Windows 7 is already out mainstream support and has only 3 years more of security patches. Unless you are telling me you are one of the very few people still on Windows 8.1, now is as good of a time as any to plan for a migration to Windows 10.

At my workplace, most users are on Windows 7, and few on Win 10, and fewer (if any) are on windows 8.1 Migration to windows 10 is not going to happen until it is absolutely necessary.

Would you expect Linux users at your workplace to still be running Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala)? Or to be a bit more generous, Windows 7 SP1 is closer to Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal). Neither of which have been supported for at least half a decade.

Even Windows 8.1's equivalent Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) fell out of support two years ago. Though arguably that's intentionally unfair because Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr) is the closest LTS and still has support for less than two more years (through April 2019). Though that's quaint in comparison to Microsoft's generous extended security support of Windows 8.1 until Jan 2023.

The reluctance to migrate users by corporations creates its own worst enemy. The longer you wait the tougher it is to migrate, the more versions you skip in the middle. That's both a detriment to user learning (they miss transitionary learning steps and evolutionary UX migrations), and a one of those "doctor, it hurts when I migrate because I do it so seldomly, so I migrate less often and it hurts more" problems. The less often you distro upgrade the more problems you have so you loathe to distro upgrade creating more problems. Maybe distro upgrade a bit more often? I realize that is a radical assertion in modern corporate IT, but it seems like a common sense one.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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That's all well and good, but somehow every other browser manages to run on Windows versions before 10. It's kinda bad that Edge cannot.

But it's a goal of those browsers to run cross-platform, it's explicitly not a goal of Edge. Just like how it's not a valid criticism to say that it's bad that Boeing can't make cars. They aren't trying to...

> If only Microsoft lets older Windows to install Edge.

> But it's...explicitly not a goal of Edge.

No criticism sticks if we just define it as a non-goal :P

I think the criticism was for that decision itself.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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No one is using Windows 8.1, statistically speaking anymore, and Windows 7 only has 3 years left of security fixes remaining.

we have 7.5% IE11 traffic on our ecommerce site (US, diy home remodeling). more than Edge which is ~5%. 7.5% is a huge number.

IE11 traffic includes Windows 7 users. Windows 8.1 users is a tiny fraction of that 7.5% as most of that is likely Windows 7 since that's the new Windows XP that corporations will use for as long as it has security support because they are afraid of change.

ETA: Plus the people that missed the Windows 10 free upgrade for Windows 7 (intentionally or accidentally).

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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I wish I could give up on Edge, but my end users won't let me.

> I wish I could give up on Edge Why?

Just 1 example of a missing feature among many: https://wpdev.uservoice.com/forums/257854-microsoft-edge-dev...

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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IIRC it's because the APIs that Edge uses are only in 10.

That's all well and good, but somehow every other browser manages to run on Windows versions before 10. It's kinda bad that Edge cannot.

Edge is a glorification of the latest and greatest Windows 10 features: such as handwriting support and pen-note taking.

These features don't exist in Windows 7. The Windows 10 Win32 API (yes, its still getting updated) has much cleaner and better support for handwriting features on websites.

The other browsers are cross platform because they're mouse and keyboard based. Modern Windows 10 design is evolving more and more towards the active digitizer stylus however.

I dare you to find a browser as well suited to Pen / Stylus as Microsoft Edge is. Heck, I'm 100% certain that Microsoft Edge is the only "good" Stylus-based browser.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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But it's a goal of those browsers to run cross-platform, it's explicitly not a goal of Edge. Just like how it's not a valid criticism to say that it's bad that Boeing can't make cars. They aren't trying to...

> If only Microsoft lets older Windows to install Edge. > But it's...explicitly not a goal of Edge. No criticism sticks if we just define it as a non-goal :P I think the criticism was for that decision itself.

And if you get to define what someone else's goal is you can stick any criticism.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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> nobody is taking them seriously Because it's 2017 and I'm STILL having to write workarounds for IE.

But IE is not Edge.

That's right, only Edge is Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/42.0.2311.135 Safari/537.36 Edge/12.10136

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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post #53

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Windows 7 is already out mainstream support and has only 3 years more of security patches. Unless you are telling me you are one of the very few people still on Windows 8.1, now is as good of a time as any to plan for a migration to Windows 10.

At my workplace, most users are on Windows 7, and few on Win 10, and fewer (if any) are on windows 8.1 Migration to windows 10 is not going to happen until it is absolutely necessary.

I work in an environment that despite having varied departments and significant bureaucracy, and some software written to run on Windows XP and not updated since... has 100% of Windows clients on Windows 10 with the latest cumulative updates.

And shockingly, everything works. Business happens. It's not actually a hard transition. (Actually, at a former employer, they scripted the upgrade process and shipped it.)

If it can work in my environment, it can work in any environment, and nobody has any valid excuses.

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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That's all well and good, but somehow every other browser manages to run on Windows versions before 10. It's kinda bad that Edge cannot.

It's kinda bad that Edge cannot run on multiple platforms, until that happens it will keep getting the same (or less) use.

Edge also runs on iOS and Android now. (Albeit using each OS's respective rendering engine.)

Re: Microsoft Presenter Gives Up on Edge, Installs Chrome

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post #53

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At my workplace, most users are on Windows 7, and few on Win 10, and fewer (if any) are on windows 8.1 Migration to windows 10 is not going to happen until it is absolutely necessary.

Would you expect Linux users at your workplace to still be running Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala)? Or to be a bit more generous, Windows 7 SP1 is closer to Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal). Neither of which have been supported for at least half a decade. Even Windows 8.1's equivalent Ubuntu 14.10 (Utopic Unicorn) fell out of support two years ago. Though arguably that's intentionally unfair because Ubuntu 14.04 (Trusty Tahr)…

As another data point, RHEL 5, released two years before Windows 7, apparently has paid support available through 2020.

I agree with you though that migrations increase in pain the longer they're put off.

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