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Re: Letting users skip our paywall if they wrote an apology

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Post by photonios »

dalfonso wrote: post #50
Aloha wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Online micropayments is still a woefully untouched market, it was supposed to be the wave of the future some years ago, but never went anywhere. I won't pay 10 dollars a month (each) to the NYT (LAT, WaPo, et al) for a subscription I might quite happily pay 5 to 20 cents for an article though. I can see a service that functions a lot like EZPass, you load your account with 5-10 bucks, you agree to pay by clicking a p…

Saw https://blendle.com/ posted on HN a while back. Works exactly like that.

Blende is great! I have zero problems paying for good reading material but I don’t want to pay 5 $10 subscriptions. Blendle just lets me pay per article.

They are based in the Netherlands, my home country and they have deals with all major newspapers here, so I am not missing out on anything.

I highly recommend you give this a shot.

Note: I am not associated with Blendle in any way. Just a happy user spreading the word.

Re: Letting users skip our paywall if they wrote an apology

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Post by s17n »

KyeRussell wrote: post #27
kilolima wrote: post #3

Who cares... site does not load with javascript disabled.

Yeah, cool, so like most of the modern Internet then? Accepting JavaScript's prevalence—even given its many many many many many flaws—is something us pragmatists that actually decide to use the Internet to do things decided to do long long ago.

Uh huh tell me more about these "things" that you "do".

If there's a web app that I want to use, I whitelist it for js.

For general browsing, I keep it off. Ironically, this works fine for the same reason that paywalls will never succeed - there is so much content out there that any individual piece of it has essentially no value.

Re: Letting users skip our paywall if they wrote an apology

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Post by newen »

duiker101 wrote: post #19
noncoml wrote: post #17

Here is my honest brutal “apology”: I wouldn’t pay more than a couple of cents to use your service. If you want to monetize it find a way to allow nano-payments. You are not adding as much value as you think.

One dollar is something you could afford. And if you can't/don't think it's of enough value then the watermark version is good too for sure. And if you are a content creator that needs lots of them then the 10$\month will be fine. Let users pay with their wallet. Not everyone would know how to do this in some graphics software so there is a value.

It doesn't matter if I can afford it... I can afford to spend $500 too. Doesn't mean I'm going to spend it on just anything.

Making a meme on a website is barely worth the time I spend doing it. The $10 seems reasonable if I make a ton of memes and it's a good website though. The $1 is just ridiculous and they should just take that option out purely because it changes the dynamics as to how you view the website. Charging $1 for a meme is so ridiculous that I think people will look at the $1 and run, while viewing it as a monthly $10 service will be more palatable.

Re: Letting users skip our paywall if they wrote an apology

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Post by sitkack »

ambrosite wrote: post #47
mysterypie wrote: post #34

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> cognitive cost of filling out payment forms, etc. That's exactly the case for me. I spend physical cash with much less hesitation than for online purchases. I'd probably spend way more freely online if I didn't have to keep track of the purchase just in case something goes wrong, like getting mis-charged, double-billed, a continuing subscription I wasn't expecting, or just to remember why that $1 debit appears on m…

> it's not worth the "cognitive cost" to make a comment Their comment form requires login or signup. I'm already signed up and logged in here. That's reason enough for me to post here and not there. I would never create an account just to leave a comment unless it was someplace where I intended to visit and comment often.

So if true federated non-statist, non-corp entity login actually worked we would probably comment freely and purchase stuff in 0.10-0.50 increments? Mozilla should be a payments platform.

Re: Letting users skip our paywall if they wrote an apology

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Post by mirimir »

Retra wrote: post #49
shash7 wrote: post #37

Don't think of it as asking for 1 dollar. Think like this: Say if you walk up to me irl and ask for a dollar, I'll be like, sure here's your change and open up my wallet. Online, asking for one dollar is too much mental overhead. Its not like people don't want to pay, but you need to make it easy for them to pay you. Personally, I would stick with ad revenue instead of 1 dollar payments.

Online, asking for $1 is asking for someone's credit card info.

Right, and Mirimir has no credit cards :(

I used to argue for Bitcoin, but at $6K that's crazy.

However, a EZPass-like token funded with cards, cryptocurrencies, money in the mail, etc. That would be cool.

Re: Letting users skip our paywall if they wrote an apology

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Post by SolarNet »

vintageseltzer wrote: post #41
bearbearbear wrote: post #18

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> Anyone can afford a dollar At the moment I'm unemployed and I'm literally living day to day just waiting for some kind of break. It's easy to say "anyone can afford a dollar" while you sit in your $4,000 apartment sipping a late` that was just brought to you in less than five minutes by any of fifty different food delivery services available to you. But consider that there are plenty of people who have a basic comp…

That's a pretty rude comment. I'm sure cpncrunch understands that, literally, not everyone on the planet can afford to pay a dollar. Please adjust your tone. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say face-to-face. Don't be snarky. Comments should get more civil and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

People are angry - guy who shops at Ikea twice a weak - corporations steal from them, the government is corrupt, and basic human rights continue to erode in this country. Many of them don't have a dollar to spend participating in the modern web because they are too busy paying for basic human rights, like healthcare, information, and clean water.

I would say this to your face. I would say what he said to your face.

Fuck off with your tone policing [0] of the downtrodden. Oppression makes people angry, if you don't want people to be angry like that then stop oppressing them.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing

Re: Letting users skip our paywall if they wrote an apology

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Post by miranda_rights »

ambrosite wrote: post #47
mysterypie wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> cognitive cost of filling out payment forms, etc. That's exactly the case for me. I spend physical cash with much less hesitation than for online purchases. I'd probably spend way more freely online if I didn't have to keep track of the purchase just in case something goes wrong, like getting mis-charged, double-billed, a continuing subscription I wasn't expecting, or just to remember why that $1 debit appears on m…

> it's not worth the "cognitive cost" to make a comment Their comment form requires login or signup. I'm already signed up and logged in here. That's reason enough for me to post here and not there. I would never create an account just to leave a comment unless it was someplace where I intended to visit and comment often.

Not only that, but by now I've figured out that the comment sections of most sites are toxic with little, if any, moderation. HN has a good moderation set-up, respectful members, etc. I try to avoid even reading the comments of other websites since they just end up being depressing.

Re: Letting users skip our paywall if they wrote an apology

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Post by vintageseltzer »

SolarNet wrote: post #56
vintageseltzer wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a pretty rude comment. I'm sure cpncrunch understands that, literally, not everyone on the planet can afford to pay a dollar. Please adjust your tone. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say face-to-face. Don't be snarky. Comments should get more civil and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

People are angry - guy who shops at Ikea twice a weak - corporations steal from them, the government is corrupt, and basic human rights continue to erode in this country. Many of them don't have a dollar to spend participating in the modern web because they are too busy paying for basic human rights, like healthcare, information, and clean water. I would say this to your face. I would say what he said to your face. F…

> Fuck off with your tone policing [0] of the downtrodden. Oppression makes people angry, if you don't want people to be angry like that then stop oppressing them.

Take a breath and relax. No one is oppressing you. I simply ask that you adhere to this community's guidelines and use a civil tone.

Re: Letting users skip our paywall if they wrote an apology

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Post by thisacctforreal »

mirimir wrote: post #55
Retra wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Online, asking for $1 is asking for someone's credit card info.

Right, and Mirimir has no credit cards :( I used to argue for Bitcoin, but at $6K that's crazy. However, a EZPass-like token funded with cards, cryptocurrencies, money in the mail, etc. That would be cool.

Being pedantic; the fluctuation is what’s crazy, if they started at $6k it’d be no problem because you’d just think in terms of thousandths of BTC (or even satoshis) instead of whole coins.

Re: Letting users skip our paywall if they wrote an apology

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Post by Cyphase »

mirimir wrote: post #55
Retra wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Online, asking for $1 is asking for someone's credit card info.

Right, and Mirimir has no credit cards :( I used to argue for Bitcoin, but at $6K that's crazy. However, a EZPass-like token funded with cards, cryptocurrencies, money in the mail, etc. That would be cool.

> I used to argue for Bitcoin, but at $6K that's crazy.

Well, Bitcoin may not be good for micropayments, but that's not the reason; you don't have to have integer numbers of bitcoin, you can have 0.00016666 bitcoins (~$1 at $6k/BTC).

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