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Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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Post by samfisher83 »

exabrial wrote: post #50
dilap wrote: post #31

Samsung should hire him, and also the daughter to do a walkthru of whatever their next phone is.

That would be brilliant marketing actually!

That would be. They should develop a whole ad campaign around that. Apple as the heartless corporate behemoth vs the loving samsung. In reality they are both corporate behemoths, but image is everything.

The engineer did violate his NDA, but he was trying to help out his daughter. Should your job really come before family especially since he didn't reveal anything truly secret.

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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Post by unit91 »

samfisher83 wrote: post #71
exabrial wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would be brilliant marketing actually!

That would be. They should develop a whole ad campaign around that. Apple as the heartless corporate behemoth vs the loving samsung. In reality they are both corporate behemoths, but image is everything. The engineer did violate his NDA, but he was trying to help out his daughter. Should your job really come before family especially since he didn't reveal anything truly secret.

> Should your job really come before family

I'm always nervous when I see phrasing like this because it all depends on what you mean by "come before". For example, I would love to spend 40+ more hours per week with my family, but I don't. That doesn't mean I put work before my family, it means I love my family enough to provide for them.

Conversely, if I had a job that required 40 hours per week (objectives and culture wise) and I worked 80 hours for the fun of it, then this would be a clear case of putting work before my family. In that case, no, I shouldn't be doing it.

The question here is which category (if either) does this fall into? It seems as though the issue here is the employee had a non-disclosure condition of employment, which he violated. The "help" he provided his daughter may have helped her financially, though I suspect ego was the primary driver for both the employee and the daughter. As unpopular as it may be to side with the big-bad-company, I think Apple acted appropriately here.

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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Post by unit91 »

hinkley wrote: post #37
sschueller wrote: post #4

"I had no idea this was a violation" Somehow hard to believe.

I know several kids who can get out of pretty much any trouble by feigning ignorance. Their parents drive me nuts.

Man I wish I could upvote this twice! Since I can't, I'll register my hearty agreement with text.

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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Post by notheguyouthink »

nix0n wrote: post #60
notheguyouthink wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can someone explain why you're down voting this person? His/her comments seem very reasonable, am I missing something? I hate that HN lets you downvote without an explanation. edit : And now I'm being down voted for asking a question!? Wtf is going on.. I'm trying to get information here..

From the official HN guidelines[0]: > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Hmm, shame - I was hoping to promote actual discussion about the real reason at hand, but I guess that's not allowed.

I do find it very strange that we're not supposed to foster discussion, but rather quietly accept silencing of dissenting views. Seems very against the meaningful discussions that I come up HN for. Strange for me.

Thank you, despite it breaking the rules I guess. I'm let down by HN this day. :/

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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Post by philbarr »

notheguyouthink wrote: post #39
dijit wrote: post #17

Feels like someone has an agenda, this is the 10th time I've heard this story and it has exactly the same information. Father told/showed daughter prototype phone in breach of an NDA that I know he signed if he had access to that hardware. Daughter felt really proud of superstar daddy and took to the internet to show off. Apple has three recourses, 1) Sue the employee to the fullest extent covered under the NDA. My e…

Can someone explain why you're down voting this person? His/her comments seem very reasonable, am I missing something? I hate that HN lets you downvote without an explanation. edit : And now I'm being down voted for asking a question!? Wtf is going on.. I'm trying to get information here..

You're allowed to downvote on HN even if it's just because you disagree. It's something Paul Graham said years ago. And it's a stupid policy and should be changed.

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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Post by philbarr »

notheguyouthink wrote: post #74
nix0n wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the official HN guidelines[0]: > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Hmm, shame - I was hoping to promote actual discussion about the real reason at hand, but I guess that's not allowed. I do find it very strange that we're not supposed to foster discussion, but rather quietly accept silencing of dissenting views. Seems very against the meaningful discussions that I come up HN for. Strange for me. Thank you, despite it breaking the rules I guess. I'm let down by HN this day. :/

First rule of HN: do not talk about downvoting.

Second rule of HN: you get the idea....

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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Post by notheguyouthink »

philbarr wrote: post #76
notheguyouthink wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, shame - I was hoping to promote actual discussion about the real reason at hand, but I guess that's not allowed. I do find it very strange that we're not supposed to foster discussion, but rather quietly accept silencing of dissenting views. Seems very against the meaningful discussions that I come up HN for. Strange for me. Thank you, despite it breaking the rules I guess. I'm let down by HN this day. :/

First rule of HN: do not talk about downvoting. Second rule of HN: you get the idea....

Well more explicitly, I don't give a shit about downvoting - but why someone downvotes is very important.

Eg, if someone writes a long well thought out post, full of information, and is down voted heavily - should we not question it? It seems the HN mantra is "well the masses have spoken, best not to question them".

I don't give a damn about someones magic internet points, but what I'm being told is I cannot try and prompt actual discussion? I just have to remain dumb about something I'm missing, because that's what a HNer is supposed to do?

This seems so wrong :/

Honestly, this seems like an above (not by you exactly) of the root idea. By all means, don't talk about down votes, but I wasn't - I was talking about the content, that others apparently did not find worthy. Why was it not worthy?

Why is it a good rule to not understand why things aren't worthy? Again, I'm not talking about magic internet numbers, I'm talking about content - yet we're not allowed to do that either. Wtf?

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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Post by philbarr »

notheguyouthink wrote: post #77
philbarr wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First rule of HN: do not talk about downvoting. Second rule of HN: you get the idea....

Well more explicitly, I don't give a shit about downvoting - but why someone downvotes is very important. Eg, if someone writes a long well thought out post, full of information, and is down voted heavily - should we not question it? It seems the HN mantra is "well the masses have spoken, best not to question them". I don't give a damn about someones magic internet points, but what I'm being told is I cannot try and…

I totally agree with you. But every time I raise this as an idea I get downvoted :)

I can only assume everyone else is perfectly fine with it - except yours is not the first post I've seen like this.

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