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Re: Square announces the Register, a $999 point-of-sale device for larger businesses

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What do POS systems cost typically? For example, what does a standard credit card reader cost, and is there additional transaction fees ontop of what credit card companies charge?

Chip and pin pads are about $100 - $150, basic mag swipes about $20.

If you have a merchant account of your own there aren't usually extra fees; POS software is paid by b2b subscription site license.

Re: Square announces the Register, a $999 point-of-sale device for larger businesses

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Square is a privacy nightmare. They track your purchases across stores and tie your email to your credit card. The worst part is there is no "opt in" either. There is no privacy policy or terms of service that I agree to. My only option is to either pay in cash or not shop there.

>>The worst part is there is no "opt in" either. There is no privacy policy or terms of service that I agree to. My only option is to either pay in cash or not shop there.

This is true about every store. All credit card companies and vendors work together to collate all of this data easily. Most don't tell you they're doing it. Square at least made you aware of it.

Re: Square announces the Register, a $999 point-of-sale device for larger businesses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a Casio cash register can be had for $99 to $250 new, and has scanner support. Credit/Debit won't be integrated, but at least you get a cash drawer and a receipt printer included in that price unlike Square's offering.

Not having cash actually is a feature for some establishments. There's a bar in Berkeley that doesn't allow you to pay with cash, so they had no need for registers. We assumed the purpose was to prevent any incentive to rob the place (even by employees).

It's probably not just being robbed but all the controls and general headaches associated with cash (transferring cash to and from the bank) that have to be in place if you use cash at all. Not just for securing against robbery but for accounting controls, auditors, etc.

It's not that common today (and there are legal issues in some states), but I can easily see an establishment that gets to the 90% (or whatever) credit card/smartphone payment range deciding to just dump cash entirely.

Re: Square announces the Register, a $999 point-of-sale device for larger businesses

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Square is a privacy nightmare. They track your purchases across stores and tie your email to your credit card. The worst part is there is no "opt in" either. There is no privacy policy or terms of service that I agree to. My only option is to either pay in cash or not shop there.

Or use Apple Pay (etc.) with the new contactless reader, then only your credit card network and bank can identify you based on the transaction.

Re: Square announces the Register, a $999 point-of-sale device for larger businesses

#36

Square is a privacy nightmare. They track your purchases across stores and tie your email to your credit card. The worst part is there is no "opt in" either. There is no privacy policy or terms of service that I agree to. My only option is to either pay in cash or not shop there.

If privacy is that important to you then just pay cash. Otherwise your credit card company, your bank, Facebook, Equifax, Google and the store itself among others are all tracking you as much as possible across purchases in the physical retail world and across all your web traffic. All of these datapoints are being cross-correlated in a billion different ways. "I'm not on Facebook" - oh yes you are. There's a shadow…

Wi-Fi beacons work only if you can connect to them on modern phone OSes, but yep, exactly my thinking. The price of free Wi-Fi: your privacy.

Re: Square announces the Register, a $999 point-of-sale device for larger businesses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a Casio cash register can be had for $99 to $250 new, and has scanner support. Credit/Debit won't be integrated, but at least you get a cash drawer and a receipt printer included in that price unlike Square's offering.

Not having cash actually is a feature for some establishments. There's a bar in Berkeley that doesn't allow you to pay with cash, so they had no need for registers. We assumed the purpose was to prevent any incentive to rob the place (even by employees).

This is quite rare compared to cash only establishments, I've yet to run into any bar like that in Seattle.

Re: Square announces the Register, a $999 point-of-sale device for larger businesses

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, a Casio cash register can be had for $99 to $250 new, and has scanner support. Credit/Debit won't be integrated, but at least you get a cash drawer and a receipt printer included in that price unlike Square's offering.

Not having cash actually is a feature for some establishments. There's a bar in Berkeley that doesn't allow you to pay with cash, so they had no need for registers. We assumed the purpose was to prevent any incentive to rob the place (even by employees).

> "Doesn't allow you to pay with cash"

How? Once they've poured your drink and ask for money, they can't refuse your cash payment[0] (that's what "legal tender" means). I suppose they could forbid you from ordering another at that point, or ban you....

[0] ETA: or rather, they can refuse it, but only if they forgive the debt. If you try to pay a debt in legal cash, they can't tell you "no you need to pay us some other way".

(IANAL)

Re: Square announces the Register, a $999 point-of-sale device for larger businesses

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not having cash actually is a feature for some establishments. There's a bar in Berkeley that doesn't allow you to pay with cash, so they had no need for registers. We assumed the purpose was to prevent any incentive to rob the place (even by employees).

> "Doesn't allow you to pay with cash" How? Once they've poured your drink and ask for money, they can't refuse your cash payment[0] (that's what "legal tender" means). I suppose they could forbid you from ordering another at that point, or ban you.... [0] ETA: or rather, they can refuse it, but only if they forgive the debt. If you try to pay a debt in legal cash, they can't tell you "no you need to pay us some othe…

Pretty sure they can:

https://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12772.htm

Re: Square announces the Register, a $999 point-of-sale device for larger businesses

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not having cash actually is a feature for some establishments. There's a bar in Berkeley that doesn't allow you to pay with cash, so they had no need for registers. We assumed the purpose was to prevent any incentive to rob the place (even by employees).

> "Doesn't allow you to pay with cash" How? Once they've poured your drink and ask for money, they can't refuse your cash payment[0] (that's what "legal tender" means). I suppose they could forbid you from ordering another at that point, or ban you.... [0] ETA: or rather, they can refuse it, but only if they forgive the debt. If you try to pay a debt in legal cash, they can't tell you "no you need to pay us some othe…

All debts public and private refers to debts by a creditor. A drink you haven't paid for isn't a debt. It's just an account payable. They don't have to take your cash.
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