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Indiana Purging Voters Using Software That’s 99% Inaccurate

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Re: Indiana Purging Voters Using Software That’s 99% Inaccurate

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In the US, there's a lot of concern about making it easy for voters to register and stay registered, because in the past officials used this to disenfranchise blacks in the south and minority groups. I think they are not paying enough attention to the risk of intentional voter fraud (by hostile outsiders) in the modern world. In the last election, Russian election manipulation became a big topic because they hacked e…

Russia has its own history. We have ours. Ours is a history of intentional disenfranchisement.

The discussion about disenfranchisement is the correct discussion for the US.

Re: Indiana Purging Voters Using Software That’s 99% Inaccurate

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In the US, there's a lot of concern about making it easy for voters to register and stay registered, because in the past officials used this to disenfranchise blacks in the south and minority groups. I think they are not paying enough attention to the risk of intentional voter fraud (by hostile outsiders) in the modern world. In the last election, Russian election manipulation became a big topic because they hacked e…

Show any evidence whatsoever that the type of voter fraud you're talking about is a problem. Until then, the talking point is worthless.

Re: Indiana Purging Voters Using Software That’s 99% Inaccurate

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New York purged me back in 2010 and I was forced to vote provisional despite voting there consistently for many years. The fail extends all around.

Happened to me in 2016. In Texas, provisional votes are 'reviewed' by an unelected group of inhabitants of the county, in this case a very conservative one.

Guess what? They tossed my vote despite me never having any issues voting in Texas before in a liberal county just to the south, both counties comprising a significant part of Austin.

I feel like folks who arbitrarily strip other citizens of their civil rights should be imprisoned for lengthy periods of incarceration.

Re: Indiana Purging Voters Using Software That’s 99% Inaccurate

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In the US, there's a lot of concern about making it easy for voters to register and stay registered, because in the past officials used this to disenfranchise blacks in the south and minority groups. I think they are not paying enough attention to the risk of intentional voter fraud (by hostile outsiders) in the modern world. In the last election, Russian election manipulation became a big topic because they hacked e…

Show any evidence whatsoever that the type of voter fraud you're talking about is a problem. Until then, the talking point is worthless.

Are you saying, "prove it has happened" or "prove it is a risk"? I doubt it's happened yet, but I think the risk is getting worse every year (technology enables this, like when personal identifying information on large numbers of American voters leak from large companies...)

Re: Indiana Purging Voters Using Software That’s 99% Inaccurate

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The inaccuracy is a feature, not a bug.

Perhaps more specifically, it's its intended feature, not some goofy side-effect. The whole game here is voter suppression, and this is just one of its many new implementations as heralded under this administration's plan. Can't beat them with Gerrymandering? Deregister people who will vote against you.

Re: Indiana Purging Voters Using Software That’s 99% Inaccurate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show any evidence whatsoever that the type of voter fraud you're talking about is a problem. Until then, the talking point is worthless.

Are you saying, "prove it has happened" or "prove it is a risk"? I doubt it's happened yet, but I think the risk is getting worse every year (technology enables this, like when personal identifying information on large numbers of American voters leak from large companies...)

you are spreading FUD which is detracting from a more immediate (and actual) issue

Re: Indiana Purging Voters Using Software That’s 99% Inaccurate

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Show any evidence whatsoever that the type of voter fraud you're talking about is a problem. Until then, the talking point is worthless.

Are you saying, "prove it has happened" or "prove it is a risk"? I doubt it's happened yet, but I think the risk is getting worse every year (technology enables this, like when personal identifying information on large numbers of American voters leak from large companies...)

How exactly will you use this PII to perpetuate voter fraud?

Show up at a polling station with fake ID or PII? Then at another polling station with another piece of fake ID or PII? What's your plan for voting staff checking the records, and finding out that 'you' already cast a ballot at that station?

This kind of fraud is incredibly risky, and does not scale (And is trivial to combat). Election fraud by the process of disenfranchising voters (or rigging electronic voting machines,) on the other hand, scales incredibly well.

The former is not happening, and would be incredibly difficult to pull off, at great risk to the perpetrators. The latter is happening, and is comparatively trivial to pull off (And nobody goes to jail, when they get caught.)

Voter fraud is a red herring.

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