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Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by TeMPOraL »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #27
prophesi wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're missing the point. Receipts, work-related files, birth certificates, passports. There will always be information we have to safeguard. It's not feasible to switch all authentication from what-you-know (passwords) and what-you-have (certificates) to what-you-are (biometrics), which is the only way I can see us getting rid of SSNs, passwords, and credit card numbers.

Why is it not feasible?

Because all easily measurable biometrics are also easy to reproduce, you leak "true values" all the time as you move around the world, and once leaked, they're nigh impossible for you to change. This makes biometrics a very bad proxy for identifying you as you. And auth is all about ways to provably identify you and only you as you.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by mrhappyunhappy »

mirimir wrote: post #19
singold wrote: post #17

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But we don't have glass doors in bathrooms because of that

Right. Also, my wife and I have a little game of sharing about public restrooms that we encounter. Generally, the men's rooms are far more trashed than the women's rooms. But how many establishments have surveillance cameras in their men's rooms? Not many, I suspect.

Doesn't anyone want to spy on my junk?!

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by mrhappyunhappy »

jasonkostempski wrote: post #20
singold wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we don't have glass doors in bathrooms because of that

Tons of mens restrooms don't have doors or walls around shitters specifically so no one fucks or does drugs in them.

Ugh the ones with doors that are like 6 inches off the ground are terrible too.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by Pica_soO »

mrhappyunhappy wrote: post #33
jasonkostempski wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tons of mens restrooms don't have doors or walls around shitters specifically so no one fucks or does drugs in them.

Ugh the ones with doors that are like 6 inches off the ground are terrible too.

Its discrimination against men with elephant like appendages.. what a outrage, right?

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by Asooka »

raamdev wrote: post #8

On the topic of having nothing to hide, the following description of how 'privacy' differs from 'secrecy' really opened my eyes to the importance of the whole privacy issue and why not having anything to hide isn't an excuse to give up your right to privacy: What you do in the bathroom is not a secret, but you still want to close the door—you still want your privacy. Everyone knows what happens in the bathroom, but e…

That argument still only works when you're preaching to the choir. People can be absolutely against other people looking at them when they're in the bathroom, but at the same time be absolutely fine with The Government being able to retroactively spy on a specific bathroom when they suspect someone did drugs there, i.e. have all bathrooms recorded and the recordings only opened with a court order. Or watched by an algorithm and flagged for review by a person.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by otakucode »

raamdev wrote: post #8

On the topic of having nothing to hide, the following description of how 'privacy' differs from 'secrecy' really opened my eyes to the importance of the whole privacy issue and why not having anything to hide isn't an excuse to give up your right to privacy: What you do in the bathroom is not a secret, but you still want to close the door—you still want your privacy. Everyone knows what happens in the bathroom, but e…

Anyone who says "I don't have anything to hide" I think is making a mistake of thinking that they're the ones who get to decide that. Just look at what happened when John Podestas emails got leaked. The fact that he had talked about food, one of the most innocuous things you could possibly imagine, inspired an unimaginable amount of belligerent morons to construct Rube Goldberg conspiracy theories about child abduction, rape, and murder.

Anyone who says 'I have nothing to hide' really needs to consider things like that, and things like the fact that societal attitudes change. What was perfectly acceptable and normal conversation 25 years ago could absolutely burn you to the ground and ruin your life today if a reliable record of it could be found. When one of Trumps sons somehow gets elected and starts hunting down everyone who spoke ill of his daddy, I don't think "oh but it was accepted at the time" is going to cut it.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by NoGravitas »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #28
zaroth wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the universe had somehow formed to create humans who shared a single consciousness, sure that would work. But as long as we are individuals, we need the space to have a self .

Individuality is an illusion. We're all one. I plan to make it known.

Setec Astronomy.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by Bartweiss »

mirimir wrote: post #26
paulryanrogers wrote: post #25

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Perhaps the powerful should have less professional privacy. But personal privacy is not far from dignity for many. So let's not make their personal lives any more of an industry than it already is. Still, the idea that the weak should have more privacy sounds about right.

I get what you say about personal privacy. But with extreme power, there's not much that's legitimately private. Consider what people must reveal to get the highest security ratings, for example.

On the other hand, with enough power privacy is replaced by immunity. The importance of privacy is heavily distorted by one's level of vulnerability to state or social coercion.

As an example - it's not clear whether J. Edgar Hoover was gay, but it's quite clear that he threatened and even blackmailed people who raised the question too publicly. Meanwhile, employees lower in the national security apparat were surveilled and dismissed based on even rumors of homosexuality. Privacy remains desirable, but becomes less essential with that sort of rising power.

Re: Nothing to Hide – a documentary about surveillance and you [video]

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Post by gkya »

softwarelimits wrote: post #30

"Follow NOTHING TO HIDE on facebook" ... sigh https://nothingtohidedoc.wordpress.com/

:) I find it really hard to follow news from movies because often they use things like Squarespace and Wix, and these motherf^W^W^W^W^W^Wsaints never have any feeds. You have a mailing list to follow if you're lucky, and usually the only other medium is the Facebook page.
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