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Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are someone else’s employee then you are already “bowing to authority” or as I put it working for someone else. NDAs are serious. If I violated a NDA I would likely be taken to court as well as fired.

Yes. And that's my point: We have no autonomy to decide whether something matters. You don't get to choose. Unless, of course, you're in a position of power. Then you do. That kind of cheapens the idea that we're all working to build something great. Situations like this reveal what we're really working for.

What did you expect? You have the choice of refusing to sign and thereby working somewhere else.

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. And that's my point: We have no autonomy to decide whether something matters. You don't get to choose. Unless, of course, you're in a position of power. Then you do. That kind of cheapens the idea that we're all working to build something great. Situations like this reveal what we're really working for.

What did you expect? You have the choice of refusing to sign and thereby working somewhere else.

Except you don't. No matter where you work, the situation is the same.

Your options are to smile and sign, or start your own company. And the latter isn't practical for most of us.

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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It's pretty strange that someone lost their livelihood solely because they didn't bow to authority. (As opposed to a practical reason, like "what he did mattered.")

Apple firing him is not him losing his livelihood.

If they cut off his hands, that would be loss of livelihood, but he will probably be able to get another job in the field.

If his reputation is so sullied that he can't get a tech job, well, then that isn't really just on Apple.

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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How a tech company can dictate a lifestyle, and make you lose your job for it, is beyond me. I guess you deserve the consequences if you subscribe to that lifestyle contract.

they were inside a company property filming a unreleased company product. Quite frankly I'm not surprised at all given how secretive Apple is around new product releases.

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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It's pretty strange that someone lost their livelihood solely because they didn't bow to authority. (As opposed to a practical reason, like "what he did mattered.")

Well at least this was for a reason. Remember that one guy they fired for a bad decorated apartment? You got life a representative lifestyle- so designer cloths, designer furniture- else apple does not want to associated with you. IKEA is very very close to crossing a line there.

> Remember that one guy they fired for a bad decorated apartment?

No. What are you talking about?

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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How a tech company can dictate a lifestyle, and make you lose your job for it, is beyond me. I guess you deserve the consequences if you subscribe to that lifestyle contract.

In what manner was Apple dictating his lifestyle?

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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It's pretty strange that someone lost their livelihood solely because they didn't bow to authority. (As opposed to a practical reason, like "what he did mattered.")

Well at least this was for a reason. Remember that one guy they fired for a bad decorated apartment? You got life a representative lifestyle- so designer cloths, designer furniture- else apple does not want to associated with you. IKEA is very very close to crossing a line there.

Got a link to that story?

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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From the article, "I had no idea this was a violation" Welp, if you weren't getting fired for showing off the iPhone X before it ships without permission you should be fired for being at Apple for four years and not realizing this might be a problem. I can't even take this as genuine. I seriously wonder if they were already half out the door for other reasons.

The quote is from the daughter.

I don’t think it’s particularly genuine either, but it’s not a quote from the employee.

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What did you expect? You have the choice of refusing to sign and thereby working somewhere else.

Except you don't. No matter where you work, the situation is the same. Your options are to smile and sign, or start your own company. And the latter isn't practical for most of us.

Basically what you're arguing is that an employer shouldn't be able to require anything of their employees.

Re: Apple fires engineer after his daughter’s iPhone X video goes viral

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It's pretty strange that someone lost their livelihood solely because they didn't bow to authority. (As opposed to a practical reason, like "what he did mattered.")

Lost their livelihood? They're not an uninsured flood victim.

Sucks if he really liked his job, but I doubt he'll be out of work long enough to really feel it financially.

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