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Re: Fun facts about Rust's growing popularity

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Post by rootlocus »

harry8 wrote: post #28

You have to take all this with a mountain of salt. Boosterism is the norm in our space, sadly. If one devotes time to learning a technology it is personally advantageous if that technology takes off. Hence you get this kind of "My programming language and community are already wonderfully perfect and kick more goals than there are nets to kick into" stuff. And the worse, yet related utter rubbish we see all the time.…

It's a list of facts. You don't need a "mountain of salt" to take a list of simple, easy to check facts.

> you get this kind of "My programming language and community are already wonderfully perfect and kick more goals than there are nets to kick into"

It doesn't say how wonderful Rust is, it says how many contributions it had, how many users on gitter, etc. You can interpret that like you want, but that's just your interpretation.

Re: Fun facts about Rust's growing popularity

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Post by rootlocus »

kartickv wrote: post #12
dudeonthenet wrote: post #6

Rustaceans? Would recruiting agencies go for that in job ads? "Are you a top rustacean and looking for a challenge in AI and Big Data and want to work in an international team with young and dynamic rustaceans? "

Good point. The term doesn't sound good. I'd rather call myself a Rubyist or a Pythonista. What we call something matters. Presentation matters. Some geeks think they're hyper-rational, but do you turn up to a job interview in pyjamas? A new programming language should use a positive and cool name.

> I'd rather call myself a Rubyist or a Pythonista.

You can call yourself whatever you want. "Talk is cheap, show me the code."

Re: Fun facts about Rust's growing popularity

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Post by tempodox »

randomThoughts9 wrote: post #40

Well, a fun fact: there is nothing funny about that list :). It should have been called "Some facts about Rust's growing popularity". Now, my predicament: I love Rust's type system and tooling, but it's really hard to justify to myself the pain of writing correct Rust code (borrowing, lifetimes, etc.) when I know I can get almost the same effect by using a GC language + immutable messages. And I don't need that last…

> Still Rust or something else?

My personal answer to that is OCaml. The only thing I miss there is good concurrency support. I can see how this might open a whole new can of worms. Would we still use locks, or some addition to the type system like Pony's reference capabilities?

Re: Fun facts about Rust's growing popularity

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Post by blub »

rootlocus wrote: post #51
harry8 wrote: post #28

You have to take all this with a mountain of salt. Boosterism is the norm in our space, sadly. If one devotes time to learning a technology it is personally advantageous if that technology takes off. Hence you get this kind of "My programming language and community are already wonderfully perfect and kick more goals than there are nets to kick into" stuff. And the worse, yet related utter rubbish we see all the time.…

It's a list of facts. You don't need a "mountain of salt" to take a list of simple, easy to check facts. > you get this kind of "My programming language and community are already wonderfully perfect and kick more goals than there are nets to kick into" It doesn't say how wonderful Rust is, it says how many contributions it had, how many users on gitter, etc. You can interpret that like you want, but that's just your…

It's guerilla marketing where one person's fact is another's spin: the Amazon job requiring in-depth domain knowledge and leadership skills mentions rich Java or C++ experience as desirable while also requiring familiarity with Python or Rust.

The resulting fact is then "Amazon is hiring for developers with Rust experience.". If a candidate checks the other boxes they'd probably hire them if they knew VisualBasic... :)

Personally I don't like this forceful advertising stuff unless maaybe it's for a really good social cause which is otherwise ignored. e.g: privacy

Re: Fun facts about Rust's growing popularity

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Post by mfukar »

k__ wrote: post #43
sidlls wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's what happens when people identify intellectual ability (or other positive attribute) with tool choice, and also wish to identify themselves as having that attribute.

Most people identify intellectual ability with opinions.

Is that an opinion?

Re: Fun facts about Rust's growing popularity

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Post by brango »

soared wrote: post #2

> Now over 20% of Rust devs use it at work. This one jumped out at me. I'd be curious how this compares to other languages. (I know nothing about rust besides that I see it on hn all the time, impressive list though!)

Jumped out at me too. The link 404s so there's no source for the claim. Plus, what does "use it" mean? They dabbled with it for a small, non-critical application, or they're using it as their primary language in a non-solo project?

Re: Fun facts about Rust's growing popularity

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Post by brango »

reificator wrote: post #37
DiabloD3 wrote: post #4

Best fact: Rust users are apparently called Rustaceans. I did not know this, and have never seen this wonderful term before.

Please please please can we stop with the Rustacean/Gopher/etc crap? You don't need a cutesy label to identify that you use a tool. I enjoy Doctor Who (though it's been getting worse for the last 5 or so years) but I do NOT want to be called a Whovian. What's the first image that pops into your head when I say "Trekkie"? It's probably not someone with good health and hygiene, is it?

You could call yourself a Whoover.

Re: Fun facts about Rust's growing popularity

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Post by Flimm »

harry8 wrote: post #28

You have to take all this with a mountain of salt. Boosterism is the norm in our space, sadly. If one devotes time to learning a technology it is personally advantageous if that technology takes off. Hence you get this kind of "My programming language and community are already wonderfully perfect and kick more goals than there are nets to kick into" stuff. And the worse, yet related utter rubbish we see all the time.…

Yes, people who promote a language are biased. But so are people who resist that language: they tend to have existing investments in their favourite languages, and have inertia in moving to a new language. I personally haven't decided to learn Rust yet, but I still appreciate being kept up-to-date on the landscape of programming languages, and I want to know about the cool new languages as well as the solid old ones.

Re: Fun facts about Rust's growing popularity

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Post by hbvvvbgvv »

swampthinker wrote: post #21
rustacean wrote: post #11

For me, A totally cs newbee, the Rust team has established a great community. I have learned a lot from the e-mentor(contribute to rust or rust lib directly with the guidelines from rust core developers). Now I’m the founder of Rustacean group in my school.

Rustacean, that's the first time of heard of that name. Absolutely fantastic

Are you 5?

Re: Fun facts about Rust's growing popularity

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Post by terhechte »

randomThoughts9 wrote: post #40

Well, a fun fact: there is nothing funny about that list :). It should have been called "Some facts about Rust's growing popularity". Now, my predicament: I love Rust's type system and tooling, but it's really hard to justify to myself the pain of writing correct Rust code (borrowing, lifetimes, etc.) when I know I can get almost the same effect by using a GC language + immutable messages. And I don't need that last…

To me, Swift feels very similar to Rust only a lot simpler. Arc is also (imho) a nicer solution than a GC (though people have different opinions on that). Even better, with future versions, some of the features of Rust (i.e. lifetimes) will also come to Swift in an opt-in way. It is still a young language but fun to code in.
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